[user104658]

Originally Posted by HomeTownJesus

Like it wont be reversed in the next 2 years

2 years longer for people to learn how to protect themselves online at least. Because it is possible to be anonymous. And of course, criminals already know that, which is why it's utter BS that it's "for our protection", because the really dangerous people aren't operating in the open web in the first place to be logged or monitored.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

2 years longer for people to learn how to protect themselves online at least. Because it is possible to be anonymous. And of course, criminals already know that, which is why it's utter BS that it's "for our protection", because the really dangerous people aren't operating in the open web in the first place to be logged or monitored.

So the foiled attacks on the UK were discovered how?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Christmas Sherry

So the foiled attacks on the UK were discovered how?

Presumably not by doing something that isn't legal yet... right?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

Presumably not by doing something that isn't legal yet... right?

Would you rather they didn't stop it?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Christmas Sherry

Would you rather they didn't stop it?

But your point was that they have stopped it. Without the "snoopers charter". So how can you be arguing that they NEED something that they DON'T have, in order to do things that they are already doing WITHOUT it?

#kirkcaps

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

But your point was that they have stopped it. Without the "snoopers charter". So how can you be arguing that they NEED something that they DON'T have, in order to do things that they are already doing WITHOUT it?

#kirkcaps

Your point is you want no snooping, my point saves lives

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Christmas Sherry

Your point is you want no snooping, my point saves lives

There is already "snooping" and plenty of scope for surveillance. What I don't want is the most oppressive abandonment of freedoms and right to privacy in the entire western world to be voted into UK law. There's a slight difference.

Also;

They have already quite blatantly admitted that the security services ALREADY covertly carry out this sort of monitoring of terror suspects. They, no doubt, use that to stop attacks from happening. So ask yourself WHY the push, now, to make it legitimate? The answer is quite blatantly nothing at all to do with terrorism.

Allowing the government and law enforcement unrestricted access to every aspect of every citizen's private life in the name of "safety", and just because "they probably wont look at mine lol wont be interested"... is mad. It's just completely ****ing insane.