[Tom4784]

I often find that people who pretend to care about Free Speech and believe that political correctness is the devil are often the most likely to take offence at everything that doesn't match their own viewpoints.

Just look at the 'news stories' that pop up every Christmas about how 'liberals and muslims are trying to get rid of Christmas' or the furore over the Starbucks cup not being Christmassy enough. It's all basically bait for the types of people that would normally screech about Free Speech to get their knickers in a twist over.

Those kinds of people will only endorse and defend Free Speech for as long as it works for them. They have little interest in Free Speech when it comes to thoughts and opinions that don't match their own.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I often find that people who pretend to care about Free Speech and believe that political correctness is the devil are often the most likely to take offence at everything that doesn't match their own viewpoints.

Just look at the 'news stories' that pop up every Christmas about how 'liberals and muslims are trying to get rid of Christmas' or the furore over the Starbucks cup not being Christmassy enough. It's all basically bait for the types of people that would normally screech about Free Speech to get their knickers in a twist over.

Those kinds of people will only endorse and defend Free Speech for as long as it works for them. They have little interest in Free Speech when it comes to thoughts and opinions that don't match their own.

You are nearly always one of the first to get offended and insulting and calling those with opinions you don't share on immigration, for example, as bigots and racists.

Hardly in a position to act as though you are above such behaviour and attempt to imply it is always those with opposing opinions to you that do. Getting your knickers in a twist is a right only reserved for those who care so deeply about different types of people hey!

As usual, opinions on that will be varied!

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I do think people should be able to openly criticize practices/beliefs considered wrong by the majority. To simply shut people down, as often happens here

Some groups, by just about anyone's standards, are far too easily offended, although I also believe an element of that is theatrics to cause drama and put pressure on government bodies to close down any opposition. Complete manipulation.

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You are nearly always one of the first to get offended and insulting and calling those with opinions you don't share on immigration, for example, as bigots and racists.

Hardly in a position to act as though you are above such behaviour and attempt to imply it is always those with opposing opinions to you that do. Getting your knickers in a twist is a right only reserved for those who care so deeply about different types of people

Do you not think these two posts directly contradict each other and you just completely proved the 'freedom of speech until it doesnt go their way' / 'offence at everything that doesn't match their own viewpoints.' entirely correct

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Do you not think these two posts directly contradict each other and you just completely proved the 'freedom of speech until it doesnt go their way' / 'offence at everything that doesn't match their own viewpoints.' entirely correct

Clearly not seeing the same thing. They are intended to demonstrate the hypocrisy of those who constantly take offence at any opposition to mass migration into Europe.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Clearly not seeing the same thing. They are intended to demonstrate the hypocrisy of those who constantly take offence at any opposition to mass migration into Europe.

In summary what you have said in this thread is the following

I love freedom of speech cos I get to say what I want, however people cant say what they want about my thoughts, freedom of speech only applies to me.

Youve embarrassed yourself on this one matey boy.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

In summary what you have said in this thread is the following

I love freedom of speech cos I get to say what I want, however people say what they want about my thoughts, freedom of speech only applies to me.

Youve embarrassed yourself on this one matey boy.

Not half as much as you matey boy.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You are nearly always one of the first to get offended and insulting and calling those with opinions you don't share on immigration, for example, as bigots and racists.

Hardly in a position to act as though you are above such behaviour and attempt to imply it is always those with opposing opinions to you that do. Getting your knickers in a twist is a right only reserved for those who care so deeply about different types of people hey!

As usual, opinions on that will be varied!

Where the the receipts on your claims? I won't hold my breath on you actually backing them up because you can't and it's just basically baseless slander on your part.

Even if someone did call you a bigot for your opinions then is it not Freedom of Speech? Or does that only apply to you? You taking offense to my opnions is basically proving what I'm saying to be correct. You can't handle opinions that don't allign with your own.

I've never tried to silence your opinions on subjects, I'd rather question it then suppress it. It seems like you consider someone questioning your opinion to be the same as trying to censor it. Freedom of Speech is a two way street, if you're going to speak out about people taking offense to what you have to say then you can't suddenly act like a victim if someone questions your own opinions.

You are allowed an opinion and everyone else is allowed to question it. I've lost count of how many times I've said that in Serious Debates.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Where the the receipts on your claims? I won't hold my breath on you actually backing them up because you can't and it's just basically baseless slander on your part.

Even if someone did call you a bigot for your opinions then is it not Freedom of Speech? Or does that only apply to you? You taking offense to my opnions is basically proving what I'm saying to be correct. You can't handle opinions that don't allign with your own.

I've never tried to silence your opinions on subjects, I'd rather question it then suppress it. It seems like you consider someone questioning your opinion to be the same as trying to censor it. Freedom of Speech is a two way street, if you're going to speak out about people taking offense to what you have to say then you can't suddenly act like a victim if someone questions your own opinions.

You are allowed an opinion and everyone else is allowed to question it. I've lost count of how many times I've said that in Serious Debates.

The are many can testify to your tendency to calling others bigots and racists. Remember once put out there it stays out there so good luck with your further baseless allegations on slander.

Your opinion is simply that, an opinion, nothing more, so whilst no-one is likely to be too bothered about that, it is the principle and hypocrisy of people like you that is what is really offensive. You clearly don't take criticism well, nobody does if honest about it. However some will desperately attempt to suggest they are above all that despite it being out there for all to see. All bluster.

Of course everyone is allowed an opinion, in theory, however being a mod enables some to shut down those not in agreement with their own.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The are many can testify to your tendency to calling others bigots and racists. Remember once put out there it stays out there so good luck with your further baseless allegations on slander.

Your opinion is simply that, an opinion, nothing more, so whilst no-one is likely to be too bothered about that, it is the principle and hypocrisy of people like you that is what is really offensive. You clearly don't take criticism well, nobody does if honest about it. However some will desperately attempt to suggest they are above all that despite it being out there for all to see. All bluster.

Of course everyone is allowed an opinion, in theory, however being a mod enables some to shut down those not in agreement with their own.

So no proof, as usual. Just the typical 'I know you are but what am I' response.

I take criticism well and it's hilarious that you should say that when you and yours have led a campaign of bullying against me just because I happen to have a different opinion.

The truth is that you can't argue against, not because the fact that I'm a mod but because your opinion is often hypocritical like it is in this thread and you trip yourself up. It's always been that way, Wombai.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

So no proof, as usual. Just the typical 'I know you are but what am I' response.

I take criticism well and it's hilarious that you should say that when you and yours have led a campaign of bullying against me just because I happen to have a different opinion.

The truth is that you can't argue against, not because the fact that I'm a mod but because your opinion is often hypocritical like it is in this thread and you trip yourself up. It's always been that way, Wombai.

Can you give a straight answer to a straight question? Are you denying ever calling anyone on here a bigot/racist?

As for the absolutely hilarious 'bullying' accusation, you really are getting desperate now, as I know several on here have felt bullied by you in your dubious position as a mod.

That last remark a very good case in point.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Can you give a straight answer to a straight question? Are you denying ever calling anyone on here a bigot/racist?

As for the absolutely hilarious 'bullying' accusation, you really are getting desperate now, as I know several on here have felt bullied by you in your dubious position as a mod.

That last remark a very good case in point.

If I did then, according to this thread it wouldn't be an issue or am I once again correct with my assertions that people only care about Freedom of Speech when it suits them?

I can't recall calling anyone a bigot, if you have evidence to the contrary then go right ahead, if not then it's just a baseless attack in place of a valid argument.

You and yours have literally posted a thread a few weeks that lasted five or more pages pretty much attacking me constantly, You constantly attack me in threads and try to silence my opinion by mentioning that I'm a mod and making out that I'm somehow abusing mod privileges simply because you can't win an argument against me. I have been bullied by you guys because you've convinced yourselves that I'm somehow abusing my position when I'm not. I simply have a different opinion to you and you can't handle that or the fact that I'm willing to question you on your opinion which is hilariously against what this thread is all about. You can't handle my opinion so a group of you have been trying to bully me into silence for weeks but it will not work. I promise you that.

Pointing out hypocrisy is apart of the debating process, to accuse me of bullying because I've pointed out the holes in your logic is silly.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's always been that way, Wombai.

Damn, you beat me to it

Glad to know my suspicions weren't unfounded

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Where the the receipts on your claims? I won't hold my breath on you actually backing them up because you can't and it's just basically baseless slander on your part.

Even if someone did call you a bigot for your opinions then is it not Freedom of Speech? Or does that only apply to you? You taking offense to my opnions is basically proving what I'm saying to be correct. You can't handle opinions that don't allign with your own.

I've never tried to silence your opinions on subjects, I'd rather question it then suppress it. It seems like you consider someone questioning your opinion to be the same as trying to censor it. Freedom of Speech is a two way street, if you're going to speak out about people taking offense to what you have to say then you can't suddenly act like a victim if someone questions your own opinions.

You are allowed an opinion and everyone else is allowed to question it. I've lost count of how many times I've said that in Serious Debates.

A bit harsh accusing Brillo of slander.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I often find that people who pretend to care about Free Speech and believe that political correctness is the devil are often the most likely to take offence at everything that doesn't match their own viewpoints.

Just look at the 'news stories' that pop up every Christmas about how 'liberals and muslims are trying to get rid of Christmas' or the furore over the Starbucks cup not being Christmassy enough. It's all basically bait for the types of people that would normally screech about Free Speech to get their knickers in a twist over.

Those kinds of people will only endorse and defend Free Speech for as long as it works for them. They have little interest in Free Speech when it comes to thoughts and opinions that don't match their own.

Christians often forgive, muslims usually dont. How do you solve that equation?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by the truth

Christians often forgive, muslims usually dont. How do you solve that equation?

By educating yourself about religion

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

Christians often forgive, muslims usually dont. How do you solve that equation?

... Yes, certainly no judgemental, pig-headed Christians out there.