[arista]

Originally Posted by the truth

scot land democratically voted to stay in UK
UK democratically voted to leave wu
simple UK leave and Scotland are part of UK so they leave

Yes

Suck It Up Lady Scottish UP there




If you do not like it
We can build a WALL
I love Walls.


That will not effect CASH DEALS
as I would Fly out from London City Airport
Direct to Edinburgh
over the PLEB wall.


Feel The Force.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Accountable? I don't think enough realise how corrupt we are becoming. It's time to stop deluding ourselves with this cosy British ideal.... It does not exist!

Britain has as much right to retain its own culture and identity as any other and therefore take action to protect them and it is no more or less corrupt than most other Europen countries.

No country or government will ever be perfect because people aren't perfect but what we have is generally pretty good, which is why so many want to come here.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by the truth

scot land democratically voted to stay in UK
UK democratically voted to leave wu
simple UK leave and Scotland are part of UK so they leave

This is true. Scotland are overspending on a massive scale. I don't think they can afford independence at this point. And it is incredibly naive to think the EU would take in yet another small country who can't manage it's budget.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Britain has as much right to retain its own culture and identity as any other and therefore take action to protect them and it is no more or less corrupt than most other Europen countries.

No country or government will ever be perfect because people aren't perfect but what we have is generally pretty good, which is why so many want to come here.

I have to agree with this.

[reece(:]

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by reece(:

It's all talk. If she had the ability to go for independence she'd be demanding it. It's her ultimate goal. She can jabber on about the single market all she likes. The UK voted to leave and the EU won't make exceptions for Scotland or anything that gives Scotland a case for membership. Scotland wants the EU, the EU does not want Scotland.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Britain has as much right to retain its own culture and identity as any other and therefore take action to protect them and it is no more or less corrupt than most other Europen countries.

No country or government will ever be perfect because people aren't perfect but what we have is generally pretty good, which is why so many want to come here.

Protecting people from corruption has nothing to do with culture...none.

We are considerably more corrupt, mafia bosses are more diplomatic.
We were pretty good, now we are dire. Bury your head and sing Jerusalem but how can a country hurtling towards autocracy,which is already more easily described as a meritocracy than a democracy be anything but?...
We have too many representatives with a conflict of interest, who are glorified lobbyists or who are simply biding their time before shuffling to a cushy corporate position.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...ght-corruption

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Protecting people from corruption has nothing to do with culture...none.

We are considerably more corrupt, mafia bosses are more diplomatic.
We were pretty good, now we are dire. Bury your head and sing Jerusalem but how can a country hurtling towards autocracy,which is already more easily described as a meritocracy than a democracy be anything but?...
We have too many representatives with a conflict of interest, who are glorified lobbyists or who are simply biding their time before shuffling to a cushy corporate position.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...ght-corruption

Just like many opposed to Brexit are so because of their own financial interests - business and personal.

Money will always be a motivator in business and to the ambitious, nothing will change that. To suggest other Western politicians are any different is naive, but we are still a democracy despite how many would like to change that. Most want to keep it that way.

Considering your views on Brexit I find your comments ironic given you would be quite happy to overturn a democratic public vote when it suits. That would be the start of a very slippery slope and potentially the beginning of the end for democracy in Britain, playing right into the hands of some.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Just like many opposed to Brexit are so because of their own financial interests - business and personal.

Money will always be a motivator in business and to the ambitious, nothing will change that. To suggest other Western politicians are any different is naive, but we are still a democracy despite how many would like to change that. Most want to keep it that way.

Considering your views on Brexit I find your comments ironic given you would be quite happy to overturn a democratic public vote when it suits. That would be the start of a very slippery slope and potentially the beginning of the end for democracy in Britain, playing right into the hands of some.

Who said I was for overturning the decision?...

I was for remain but if that was the will of the people (allegedly) then so be it, that said you can't disagree that May has gone further than anyone imagined in her progress thus far?...She is not suggesting we be out, but OUT out, light years out even :/

I don't give a fig about business if I'm honest... All I want is to know is wages, rights, civil protections, environmental considerations, schooling, and healthcare are maintained and protected for future generations. I do not trust this govt to deliver that, I fear with the expansion of the service industry we're going back to an 'upstairs downstairs' existence that will see the 99% trapped in a cycle of poverty and debt.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Who said I was for overturning the decision?...

I was for remain but if that was the will of the people (allegedly) then so be it, that said you can't disagree that May has gone further than anyone imagined in her progress thus far?...She is not suggesting we be out, but OUT out, light years out even :/

I don't give a fig about business if I'm honest... All I want is to know is wages, rights, civil protections, environmental considerations, schooling, and healthcare are maintained and protected for future generations. I do not trust this govt to deliver that, I fear with the expansion of the service industry we're going back to an 'upstairs downstairs' existence that will see the 99% trapped in a cycle of poverty and debt.

I don't see why you are so surprised Kizzy. The vote was to leave, not to half leave or a third leave. There aren't any out, out's, just the one. It should be fairly straightforward. When we all went to vote, before we voted there was never anything to suggest we might be voting for half out or out but staying in this or that.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I don't see why you are so surprised Kizzy. The vote was to leave, not to half leave or a third leave. There aren't any out, out's, just the one. It should be fairly straightforward. When we all went to vote, before we voted there was never anything to suggest we might be voting for half out or out but staying in this or that.

Um I think you may be in the minority on that one Jaxie British business is reeling from the removal of the single market, small and medium sized businesses will be compromised if they can't afford to trade globally or there are tariffs. Who is thinking about them?...

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Um I think you may be in the minority on that one Jaxie British business is reeling from the removal of the single market, small and medium sized businesses will be compromised if they can't afford to trade globally or there are tariffs. Who is thinking about them?...

I thought you didn't care about business!

Jaxie is right, people voted out full stop. All this soft/hard Brexit rhetoric was a reluctant compromise from those in the remain camp, after the vote, desperate to interfere in a result they never wanted.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I thought you didn't care about business!

Jaxie is right, people voted out full stop. All this soft/hard Brexit rhetoric was a reluctant compromise from those in the remain camp, after the vote, desperate to interfere in a result they never wanted.

Well I don't personally as I don't own a business, but I can empathise with those that do ... :/

I believe most brexiteers feel this is a bit of a runaway train, nobody is so pig headed they will stumble along like blind man in a viper enclosure.. are they?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well I don't personally as I don't own a business, but I can empathise with those that do ... :/

I believe most brexiteers feel this is a bit of a runaway train, nobody is so pig headed they will stumble along like blind man in a viper enclosure.. are they?

I think fear of the unknown is natural, we all feel it to varying degrees, but many feel we can't be controlled by a bitter Europe intent on punishing us for daring to want out.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Who said I was for overturning the decision?...

I was for remain but if that was the will of the people (allegedly) then so be it, that said you can't disagree that May has gone further than anyone imagined in her progress thus far?...She is not suggesting we be out, but OUT out, light years out even :/

I don't give a fig about business if I'm honest... All I want is to know is wages, rights, civil protections, environmental considerations, schooling, and healthcare are maintained and protected for future generations. I do not trust this govt to deliver that, I fear with the expansion of the service industry we're going back to an 'upstairs downstairs' existence that will see the 99% trapped in a cycle of poverty and debt.

what the heck? business pays for all that

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well I don't personally as I don't own a business, but I can empathise with those that do ... :/

I believe most brexiteers feel this is a bit of a runaway train, nobody is so pig headed they will stumble along like blind man in a viper enclosure.. are they?

so you dont care? now you do care?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

so you dont care? now you do care?

Let me explain, I am not a business owner so the issues facing them don't affect me directly...rather, indirectly.

However, the EU laws provisions and protections do affect me directly as a citizen if my wages or rights are affected as they could very well be.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

what the heck? business pays for all that

I didn't mention money, it's the legislation around those issues that will be at risk.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Let me explain, I am not a business owner so the issues facing them don't affect me directly...rather, indirectly.

However, the EU laws provisions and protections do affect me directly as a citizen if my wages or rights are affected as they could very well be.

It's already been stated in Parliament that workers rights won't be affected.

And that laws aren't going to change.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I didn't mention money, it's the legislation around those issues that will be at risk.

are you serious? business creates the money to pay for all those things

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Um I think you may be in the minority on that one Jaxie British business is reeling from the removal of the single market, small and medium sized businesses will be compromised if they can't afford to trade globally or there are tariffs. Who is thinking about them?...

I saw the ballot paper the same as everyone else. It said leave or remain. It didn't say leave a bit, or leave but keep the single market or leave and only pay tarrifs on non cheddar cheese. Business may be 'reeling' but I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person in the UK who can read.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jaxie

It's already been stated in Parliament that workers rights won't be affected.

And that laws aren't going to change.

Oh well if they stated it in Parliament, it will definitely be true and not subject to change in any way.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Oh well if they stated it in Parliament, it will definitely be true and not subject to change in any way.

Isn't that rather the point of Parliament to hold the government accountable if they break their word. Isn't that what everyone keeps saying when they want Parliament to micro manage Brexit.

The fact is this country has a good record on workers rights and we usually go further than the basic guidelines laid out by the EU. Apart from scare mongering and conspiracy theories what do you base your scepticism on?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Isn't that rather the point of Parliament to hold the government accountable if they break their word. Isn't that what everyone keeps saying when they want Parliament to micro manage Brexit.

The fact is this country has a good record on workers rights and we usually go further than the basic guidelines laid out by the EU. Apart from scare mongering and conspiracy theories what do you base your scepticism on?

The fact that we no longer have an active democracy, we have a by-default Tory government for the forseeable future, and the Tories have made it abundantly clear in MANY ways over the last 8 years that they have very little interest in work/life balance and are only interested in seeing people live to work. I can't think of any reason that this is likely to change? In fact, there has been plenty of Tory admiration for China of all places, a country that aggressively schools its children to the point of depression and then works them into the ground for peanuts as soon as they hit adulthood.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The fact that we no longer have an active democracy, we have a by-default Tory government for the forseeable future, and the Tories have made it abundantly clear in MANY ways over the last 8 years that they have very little interest in work/life balance and are only interested in seeing people live to work. I can't think of any reason that this is likely to change? In fact, there has been plenty of Tory admiration for China of all places, a country that aggressively schools its children to the point of depression and then works them into the ground for peanuts as soon as they hit adulthood.

You should try to be more optimistic TS.

If you don't like the Tory government let Labour back into Scotland. They don't have much hope without any kind of Scottish vote.