[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by arista

How Nice TS

A very dignified response to a post going off-track and concentrating on a poster rather than post content. Well said.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

A very dignified response to a post going off-track and concentrating on a poster rather than post content. Well said.

'Get over yourself in thinking you have the right to tell me how to think. There is nothing untrue in anything I have said. You just blindly defend because it is PC to do so. No thought processes required.'

Remove the splinter from your own eye.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'Get over yourself in thinking you have the right to tell me how to think. There is nothing untrue in anything I have said. You just blindly defend because it is PC to do so. No thought processes required.'

Remove the splinter from your own eye.

My eye is splinter-free thanks. Not so sure about yours though.

[Cherry Christmas]

So bringing this back to the actual topic, would it be fair to have a two tiered pension system one where anyone who works in a physically demanding job, or a job that puts the public at risk for instance long distance lorry drivers should have an earlier retirement age than someone who has a desk bound job? i think this would work, it might cause resentment but even the current retirement age of 67 is not suited to many workers who work in a physically demanding environment.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So bringing this back to the actual topic, would it be fair to have a two tiered pension system one where anyone who works in a physically demanding job, or a job that puts the public at risk for instance long distance lorry drivers should have an earlier retirement age than someone who has a desk bound job? i think this would work, it might cause resentment but even the current retirement age of 67 is not suited to many workers who work in a physically demanding environment.

Yes Cherie
the pension system
needs a update.


On all Long Runs
Truck Drivers , by law ,
they have to have rests
and they do, on each long drive etc,

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Cherie
the pension system
needs a update.


On all Long Runs
Truck Drivers , by law ,
they have to have rests
and they do, on each long drive etc,

Yeah I know but as you get older eyesight deteriorates, your concentration and reflexes won't be as sharp, etc etc

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yeah I know but as you get older eyesight deteriorates, your concentration and reflexes won't be as sharp, etc etc

That can be Corrected now
Laser Eye Surgery
works well

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So bringing this back to the actual topic, would it be fair to have a two tiered pension system one where anyone who works in a physically demanding job, or a job that puts the public at risk for instance long distance lorry drivers should have an earlier retirement age than someone who has a desk bound job? i think this would work, it might cause resentment but even the current retirement age of 67 is not suited to many workers who work in a physically demanding environment.

Lorry drivers are assessed regularly, they can't just trundle along until they retire. But I agree with what you say what jobs are suitable for doddery old dears?
As stated we are living longer but due to age related change and chronic illness they are not healthy years, so are we going to see jobcenters crowded with OAPs trawling their oxygen tanks behind them to sign on?

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Lorry drivers are assessed regularly, they can't just trundle along until they retire. But I agree with what you say what jobs are suitable for doddery old dears?
As stated we are living longer but due to age related change and chronic illness they are not healthy years, so are we going to see jobcenters crowded with OAPs trawling their oxygen tanks behind them to sign on?

Tell that to the families of the people killed by the bin lorry in Glasgow, he managed to hide his heart condition pretty well

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Tell that to the families of the people killed by the bin lorry in Glasgow, he managed to hide his heart condition pretty well

People can have heart conditions at any age, what I'm saying is lorry drivers are more likely than any profession to be continually assessed. Of course that can't prevent every incident.

I work at a depot, the drivers are assessed annually.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So bringing this back to the actual topic, would it be fair to have a two tiered pension system one where anyone who works in a physically demanding job, or a job that puts the public at risk for instance long distance lorry drivers should have an earlier retirement age than someone who has a desk bound job? i think this would work, it might cause resentment but even the current retirement age of 67 is not suited to many workers who work in a physically demanding environment.

Airline pilots presently retire at 55. Its the same for the police and fire service, though paramedics now have to work much longer. Special forces retire at 40.

The thing is, a state pension is worth nothing and most people have private pensions. It just means a lot more people will take out private pension funds or invest enough to ensure they can retire at a reasonable age.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Airline pilots presently retire at 55. Its the same for the police and fire service, though paramedics now have to work much longer. Special forces retire at 40.

The thing is, a state pension is worth nothing and most people have private pensions. It just means a lot more people will take out private pension funds or invest enough to ensure they can retire at a reasonable age.

Ah right, it's to get people to gamble on putting their money in something that there is a risk it will be lost?...Yep sounds like a tory scheme.

People will be going back to keeping it under the mattress soon

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ah right, it's to get people to gamble on putting their money in something that there is a risk it will be lost?...Yep sounds like a tory scheme.

People will be going back to keeping it under the mattress soon

Sad to say but we live in a dog eat dog system now. Look how Arista calls his workforce 'plebs'

Our children will raise their children in a country with only a private health care system, no state pension, state schools that only teach the basics and a community who spit on homeless people in the street.

Elderly people are already being encouraged to take loans out on their properties because they can't afford to keep warm or they go into a nursing home that on average costs them £1,000 a week. This sort of thing ensures their children lose any hope of an inheritance.

Getting old in this country is a frightening prospect because the government has been screwing with the state pension for years. By the time we are old, there will be no state pension.