[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

He wasn't that passionate when the Kuwaiti delegation visited. Maybe they didn't have a bandwaggon.

I cant talk on his behalf, but his speech sounded as if the UK and the USA's previous/current relationship held a key part in his mindset. I guess injustice from an acquaintance is easier to take than injustice from a friend.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Withano

I cant talk on his behalf, but his speech sounded as if the UK and the USA's previous/current relationship held a key part in his mindset. I guess injustice from an acquaintance is easier to take than injustice from a friend.

Kuwait is not our friend? We went to war for Kuwait in 1990.

The speaker is not supposed to use his professional platform for personal political messages.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

Kuwait is not our friend? We went to war for Kuwait in 1990.

The speaker is not supposed to use his professional platform for personal political messages.

I was saying Kuwait was an acquaintance, and their injustice is easier to take than America's (our friend).

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Withano

I was saying Kuwait was an acquaintance, and their injustice is easier to take than America's (our friend).

I'm not sure I follow your logic here. Is it someone's right to use their parliamentary position to speak out on a personal issue, if he considers the country "our friend"? That's not really how politics works.

John Bercow is on his last warning I reckon... May should sack him. Today.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Livia

John Bercow is on his last warning I reckon... May should sack him. Today.

The speaker has announced Donald Trump will not be permitted to talk in the Houses of Parliament and that's the end of it. There is no motion to be tabled, nothing to be voted on, John Bercrow is the Speaker, if he says Donald Trump ain't coming there, he ain't coming there.

I don't think people get how much power Bercow actually has. He has authority to refuse to allow guests to speak, and remember that nobody has an automatic right to speak in the House of Commons, especially foreign leaders who were not elected by the British public.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The speaker has announced Donald Trump will not be permitted to talk in the Houses of Parliament and that's the end of it. There is no motion to be tabled, nothing to be voted on, John Bercrow is the Speaker, if he says Donald Trump ain't coming there, he ain't coming there.

I don't think people get how much power Bercow actually has. He has authority to refuse to allow guests to speak, and remember that nobody has an automatic right to speak in the House of Commons, especially foreign leaders who were not elected by the British public.

I don't think that is the issue here at all, its Bercow's lack of consistency in who he condemns and also the tiny part of his job that requires him to be a neutral

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The speaker has announced Donald Trump will not be permitted to talk in the Houses of Parliament and that's the end of it. There is no motion to be tabled, nothing to be voted on, John Bercrow is the Speaker, if he says Donald Trump ain't coming there, he ain't coming there.

I don't think people get how much power Bercow actually has. He has authority to refuse to allow guests to speak, and remember that nobody has an automatic right to speak in the House of Commons, especially foreign leaders who were not elected by the British public.

Or the qween, not even princess trump is sovereign in there

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Or the qween, not even princess trump is sovereign in there

Hmm well perhaps she will invite him for tea. She does entertain all sorts of **** at Buckingham Palace, Mugabee of Zimbabwee, former tyrants of Romania etc. The Queens family themselves went over to flirt with Hitler in the 1930s and gaze at him lovingly.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The speaker has announced Donald Trump will not be permitted to talk in the Houses of Parliament and that's the end of it. There is no motion to be tabled, nothing to be voted on, John Bercrow is the Speaker, if he says Donald Trump ain't coming there, he ain't coming there.

I don't think people get how much power Bercow actually has. He has authority to refuse to allow guests to speak, and remember that nobody has an automatic right to speak in the House of Commons, especially foreign leaders who were not elected by the British public.

Again, he had no problem allowing other despots to speak, despots with proven track records of Human Rights abuses. Why now?

I am a government employed lawyer who spent quite a few years working in politics, including working with several MPs in the House of Commons. I don't think you understand the role of the speaker, and I think if he was saying something of which you disapproved you'd be calling for his head.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm not sure I follow your logic here. Is it someone's right to use their parliamentary position to speak out on a personal issue, if he considers the country "our friend"? That's not really how politics works.

John Bercow is on his last warning I reckon... May should sack him. Today.

Im paraphrasing, did you watch his speech? He refers specifically to the UK's and the US's relationship and I suggested that this might have been Bercows logic to treating America differently. But I know no more than you do about his thought processes. Didnt you sign a petition that would lead to a debate on Trump making an appearance anyway. Was you not prepared for the parliament making cases for and against him? Why not? Or is this more about the time and place for you?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Withano

Im paraphrasing, did you watch his speech? He refers specifically to the UK's and the US's relationship and I suggested that this might have been Bercows logic to treating America differently. But I know no more than you do about his thought processes. Didnt you sign a petition that would lead to a debate on Trump making an appearance anyway. Was you not prepared for the parliament making cases for and against him? Why not? Or is this more about the time and place for you?

Bercow should be politically neutral. It's his job to be neutral. He's never spoken out before... but I guess the bandwagon hadn't arrived previously.

I signed a petition to allow a democratically elected president be given a state visit, as he has been offered, just like thousands of other leaders, half of whom are sh1thead despots robbing their own treasury.