[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I defy anyone to list his personal principles his idological, moral and social ethics and disagree with any one of them OTHER THAN the nuclear disarmament issue.

I do actually agree with many of his ideas and principles.However that is not enough for many people when there are some fundamental issues that many Labour voters disagree with him on.Just as he appeals to the hard left who love him he leaves the rest of Labour supporters disaffected.Being so fundamental on his beliefs is not going to get him massive support from the whole Labour demographic.Only the hard leftists.
On Brexit he did'nt seem interested.He did'nt want to campaign for remain because it goes against his old seventies Labour principles and he wouldn't campaign for leave because he thought it would make the division in the party much worse for him.
Many don't like his policies and many don't like his execution with others thinking he's just incompetent.
Releasing a Tweet recently saying "Real fight starts now" upset many Labour supporters who thought the "real fight" should've been last year when he made himself look disinterested.
Even 18-24 year olds don't have any confidence in him.
His party are all resigning.
If his approval doesn't improve in the next year ahead i reckon he's a gonner.Imo.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I do actually agree with many of his ideas and principles.However that is not enough for many people when there are some fundamental issues that many Labour voters disagree with him on.Just as he appeals to the hard left who love him he leaves the rest of Labour supporters disaffected.Being so fundamental on his beliefs is not going to get him massive support from the whole Labour demographic.Only the hard leftists.
On Brexit he did'nt seem interested.He did'nt want to campaign for remain because it goes against his old seventies Labour principles and he wouldn't campaign for leave because he thought it would make the division in the party much worse for him.
Many don't like his policies and many don't like his execution with others thinking he's just incompetent.
Releasing a Tweet recently saying "Real fight starts now" upset many Labour supporters who thought the "real fight" should've been last year when he made himself look disinterested.
Even 18-24 year olds don't have any confidence in him.
His party are all resigning.
If his approval doesn't improve in the next year ahead i reckon he's a gonner.Imo.

What fundamental issues beliefs and policies? I'm not getting any specifics here.

He was clear he was 7/10 for brexit, he just didn't want hard tory brexit as his concerns were civil rights, that is a checkable fact as he was interviewed stating that as a concern.
As it was a tory brexit he campaigned vigorously to remain.

Asked about criticism that the Labour Remain campaign has not been getting through to its core voters, he said: “I do think we’ve been successful in getting the Labour message out that it is about worker’s rights, it is about our agenda, things we would do if we had the presidency of the European Union next year, which would be about ending zero hours contracts, raising the minimum wage and protecting workers’ rights, and not a race to the bottom.'

The real fight does start now, the poeple have had their say, the MPs have had theirs... the fight for a fair brexit is on. It's quite a literal statement.

http://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/politi...ngey_1_4590306

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The real fight does start now, the poeple have had their say, the MPs have had theirs... the fight for a fair brexit is on. It's quite a literal statement.

My problem is, where is the fight? He imposed a three line whip for his MPs to vote to trigger Article 50, and didn't even try to force an ammendment through? He's so scared that Labour will lose seats to UKIP if they're seen to oppose Brexit so they're handing Theresa May a blank cheque to shape this country's foreign and domestic policy for, potentially decades.

I should be a voter that's easy for him to win over: I agree with quite a few of his policies (and the Tories are a complete shambles). But his total lacklustre support for remain and the fact that the Labour Party now seem to be admitting defeat in so many areas leaves me without a politcal party to call 'home'. At this point, I don't know who I'll be voting for at the next general election. But if the leadership of the Labour Party remains as it is, my vote certainly won't be going to them.