[user104658]

You know, I've just realised that the entire premise if this thread highlights the fact that right-minded people don't understand left ideology at all. "Why aren't the left pleased that the economy is on the up"?

This is the entire debate of left/right politics. The right believes that business and economic performance are the measure of a society, and the left believes that actual living standards and equality are the measure of a society.

In other words, they don't "celebrate" economic stats because those numbers mean absolutely nothing if they don't translate into better living standards for normal people which, thus far, they have not. The left will celebrate when economic success means more for EVERYONE... Not just more for Billy Stockbroker.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You know, I've just realised that the entire premise if this thread highlights the fact that right-minded people don't understand left ideology at all. "Why aren't the left pleased that the economy is on the up"?

This is the entire debate of left/right politics. The right believes that business and economic performance are the measure of a society, and the left believes that actual living standards and equality are the measure of a society.

In other words, they don't "celebrate" economic stats because those numbers mean absolutely nothing if they don't translate into better living standards for normal people which, thus far, they have not. The left will celebrate when economic success means more for EVERYONE... Not just more for Billy Stockbroker.

But isn't it mainly the financial sector, banks etc and the super rich that have the biggest objection to Brexit - People who currenty benefit the most from us being in Europe.

It's the average person that is most affected by issues such as mass immigration and over-stretched public services. The well-off just go private.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

But isn't it mainly the financial sector, banks etc and the super rich that have the biggest objection to Brexit - People who currenty benefit the most from us being in Europe.

It's the average person that is most affected by issues such as mass immigration and over-stretched public services. The well-off just go private.

The super rich do benefit from EU breaks, that's true, but there are countless ways in which average people also benefit. As with anything it's unrealistic to say that there aren't positives and drawbacks of both... But I genuinely do believe that anyone who is championing Brexit on the grounds that it will dramatically reduce immigration or in any way help our public services is going to be in for a disappointment post-brexit. There are powerful economic entities that have a vested interest in dismantling public services and taking them private and this is what will eventually happen as long as we have a Tory government with several high profile figures set for a huge payday. It's inevitable and it has nothing at all to do with Brexit... All of that is coming, whether we're in or out.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The super rich do benefit from EU breaks, that's true, but there are countless ways in which average people also benefit. As with anything it's unrealistic to say that there aren't positives and drawbacks of both... But I genuinely do believe that anyone who is championing Brexit on the grounds that it will dramatically reduce immigration or in any way help our public services is going to be in for a disappointment post-brexit. There are powerful economic entities that have a vested interest in dismantling public services and taking them private and this is what will eventually happen as long as we have a Tory government with several high profile figures set for a huge payday. It's inevitable and it has nothing at all to do with Brexit... All of that is coming, whether we're in or out.

The EU has become an wasteful unaccountable tax wasting corporate lackey, which wipes out sme's and enrichens corrupt corporations