[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jack_

On topic - I think the notion that 'pervy' men are going to dress up as women to gain access to their toilets so they can attack someone is problematic on two counts: the first being that as has already been pointed out, many trans people will have been using the 'wrong' bathroom without anyone knowing for decades and I don't think there's much evidence of this being a particularly pertinent problem, and the second that if a man (or a woman, actually) wishes to lurk in a bathroom waiting to attack someone, they will do it regardless. A sign above a door isn't going to stop anyone. Not to mention the fact that most sexual assaults don't take place inside a public toilet at the hand of a stranger, but rather with people you know in a place you're familiar with.

lol I post this and then this article pops up on my Facebook feed

http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...e96746917.html

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Jack_

lol I post this and then this article pops up on my Facebook feed

http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...e96746917.html

Great article, it raises some really valid points imo (and great posts too Jack I totally agree with everything you're saying)


From the article...

Sometimes change isn’t comfortable, but it’s still the right thing to do. And guess what? Eventually it becomes so comfortable that the next generation can’t imagine what all the fuss was about.

The 'uncomfortable' argument is one that I haven't been able to understand, it's an argument that could be used against any type of progression but discomfort is just that and fades over time, it doesn't relate to any actual or realistic possibility of increased danger in this case, I can't help but see it as more of an irrational fear.

Harassment in bathrooms is a serious problem, but the new laws enacted to protect North Carolina citizens are protecting the wrong people. House Bill 2 makes the bathrooms less safe for those who really do have to worry about violence.

The stories I heard came from young people who do not conform to gender stereotypes. Fifteen were raised as girls but are not now easily identifiable as men or women. Some are straight and some gay. Women often challenged them if they entered women’s restrooms because they looked boyish. But they were often afraid to enter men’s rooms because they feared violence.

It's a good point that people may not necessarily be transsexual and therefore don't require sex reassignment surgery but still face difficulty in terms of how other people perceive their gender/sex and the treatment they receive because of that. I suppose it's those kinds of people who would benefit the most from these laws (and I'd guess the numbers of people like this are increasing... although that is just a total guess lol).

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

lol I post this and then this article pops up on my Facebook feed

http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...e96746917.html

This author starts out in bad faith argument and never lets up. The Obama administration made a unlateral and, frankly, unconstitutional overreach when it declared title IX that specifically deals with sex includes "gender identity." The same over-reach that Leftist Charlotte did by requiring all businesses to allow self-identified trans people full access to locker rooms, changing rooms, showers of the opposite sex.

It should be noted that this author never addresses the issue of locker rooms/showers/changing areas or even sports. We've seen already situations in which males are competing in girls sports and winning. And the major newspaper in Charlotte editorializing that women and girls need to "get used to" being exposed to male genitalia in their locker rooms.

So this isn't "just" about wondering who is in the next stall in a restroom, this is about telling women & girls they no longer have the right to refuse naked men in their locker rooms, changing rooms and showers. That a woman's bodily integrity, privacy and safety must give way to a larger religiously-held ideology.

First comment on it says it all for me tbh...