[Smithy]

would be quite interesting to see the emigration rate too over that period

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's not surprising, skilled migrants that have a choice won't choose the UK over more welcoming countries.

more false supposition

[Rogan Josh]

Originally Posted by Livia

Record numbers arriving from Bulgaria and Romania, though. I don't think I've said this before... but Nigel Farage was right on the money about that one.

No one is under any illusion that these people are only coming for benefits. They are economic migrants that we don't need.

[the truth]

lets hope trump can get rid of political correctness and replace it with political truth

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I thought brexit wasn't about immigration anyway... :/

The Vote was Not
for many of us.
Like Me or Celeb Ian Dale on LBC


However, "some" who
Voted on the 23rd of June 2016,
live in bad zones
that have become a mess...............

[Rogan Josh]

Originally Posted by arista

The Vote was Not
for many of us.
Like Me or Celeb Ian Dale on LBC


However, "some" who
Voted on the 23rd of June 2016,
live in bad zones
that have become a mess...............

All the politicians seem to be afraid to speak about 'the elephant in the room' .

[Livia]

So if skilled workers aren't coming - and it's only supposition to think they aren't - maybe we could train British people how to be skilled workers? Seems like a great idea to me.

[Rogan Josh]

Originally Posted by Livia

So if skilled workers aren't coming - and it's only supposition to think they aren't - maybe we could train British people how to be skilled workers? Seems like a great idea to me.

It is a great idea, if enough of them are willing to be trained and are interested enough. I have known quite a few people who would be happy to be trained to be skilled , if only they could get a reply to an application for a job, but therein lies the problem, who wants British workers?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Rogan Josh

It is a great idea, if enough of them are willing to be trained and are interested enough. I have known quite a few people who would be happy to be trained to be skilled , if only they could get a reply to an application for a job, but therein lies the problem, who wants British workers?

You imply that an employer would take a qualified foreign candidate over a qualified British worker. In the case of skilled workers, professionals, people with trade qualifications, I don't think that's the case.

[Rogan Josh]

Originally Posted by Livia

You imply that an employer would take a qualified foreign candidate over a qualified British worker. In the case of skilled workers, professionals, people with trade qualifications, I don't think that's the case.

Some skilled people from the UK are lucky enough to find employment, if they win the lottery of getting a response to their applications, but it is a fact that some employers appear to favour foreign workers over British workers. There could be varying reasons for this, I have heard quite a few British employers saying foreign workers are better timekeepers. I personally don't agree with that as I have known many people who are very good timekeepers and are British and the poor timekeepers are in the minority, only in my own experience, I cannot comment for anyone else.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Rogan Josh

Some skilled people from the UK are lucky enough to find employment, if they win the lottery of getting a response to their applications, but it is a fact that some employers appear to favour foreign workers over British workers. There could be varying reasons for this, I have heard quite a few British employers saying foreign workers are better timekeepers. I personally don't agree with that as I have known many people who are very good timekeepers and are British and the poor timekeepers are in the minority, only in my own experience, I cannot comment for anyone else.

I think that's mostly supposition. I'm sure there will be a couple of places like that... but most employers want someone suitably qualified to do the job and who speaks fluent English.

[Rogan Josh]

Originally Posted by Livia

I think that's mostly supposition. I'm sure there will be a couple of places like that... but most employers want someone suitably qualified to do the job and who speaks fluent English.

Yes, I know and you are entitled to your opinion on this subject, but I have known several people, very well qualified, in their chosen field, who have not even been given an interview with some British companies. One was a nephew who had a reply, got an interview with a British company and was interviewed by an Eastern European human resources manager, who employed an Eastern European person for the job. Who is to say who was better qualified to do the job?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

So if skilled workers aren't coming - and it's only supposition to think they aren't - maybe we could train British people how to be skilled workers? Seems like a great idea to me.

It is a great idea. However we need to support those people whilst they are learning of course. We have a shortage of people training to be doctors and nurses and such as it is :S I don't think discouraging trained people from coming here is a good thing as it realy does seem we need them...I hope I am proved wrong though

[Rogan Josh]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

It is a great idea. However we need to support those people whilst they are learning of course. We have a shortage of people training to be doctors and nurses and such as it is :S I don't think discouraging trained people from coming here is a good thing as it realy does seem we need them...I hope I am proved wrong though

I have worked with some of these trained professionals from the European Union and could not praise them highly enough as well as our own trained professionals, who seem to be in short supply, more's the pity as we need more young people to train in the professions , and then stay here in the UK.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Rogan Josh

I have worked with some of these trained professionals from the European Union and could not praise them highly enough as well as our own trained professionals, who seem to be in short supply, more's the pity as we need more young people to train in the professions , and then stay here in the UK.

Definitely. This is a huge reason why we have a shortage IMO. People train here, then move elsewhere to work. Probably as they are treated badly working here. No wonder we have a shortage of skilled workers really

[Crimson Dynamo]

lets not kid ourself that greedy business will employ the lowest common denominator to make profit - they will disguise this with

"british people wont do the jobs"

what they mean is

we can get illegals and immigrants on the cheap and make more money

The british workforce has been undermined by greed

shocking

[arista]

Yes LT
I am sick of UK Youths sitting on there FAT ass
avoiding Hard Work.

Enough is Enough.

[Crimson Dynamo]

We need national service for the young. army life for 3 years, make men of them, no phones or tablets only books and cold showers

teach them how to kill and polish shoes

[arista]

Yes I agree
National Service


That will sort out all the young tibbers


Come on TS
you know it makes sense

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes I agree
National Service


That will sort out all the young tibbers

Arista you can build hangers in Ireland to house them, ship them over in their thousands. Ireland can get many jobs here, bolster the economy as we train the youth in discipline. A win win scenario and blue print to sell to the commonwealth?

they will arrive back in the UK ready for work, trained in trades we need, no media studies - plumbers, sparks, mechanics, roofers, carpenters..

[Rogan Josh]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Definitely. This is a huge reason why we have a shortage IMO. People train here, then move elsewhere to work. Probably as they are treated badly working here. No wonder we have a shortage of skilled workers really

I trained with people and I worked with people, Vicky and the only reason they went abroad was for more money. None of them were treated badly and neither was I, but I did have some really sh*t managers, who would have made anyone move away, including myself and I did on one occasion. I moved to London for a few years, from Scotland and I loved it, sometimes I wish I had never ever came back here but I settled , happily here lol.

[Crimson Dynamo]

TS can be a camp leader, we have to monitor his subversive views, but he can teach leadership and discipline. Yes we need to keep an eye on him but CCTV will be installed in every dorm in case he smuggles in a Guardian or New Statesman or Little Mix DVD.

[Rogan Josh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

We need national service for the young. army life for 3 years, make men of them, no phones or tablets only books and cold showers

teach them how to kill and polish shoes

Are you sure you're not treating them too gently

[VanessaFeltz.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

We need national service for the young. army life for 3 years, make men of them, no phones or tablets only books and cold showers

teach them how to kill and polish shoes

Way to go for diversity!

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Arista you can build hangers in Ireland to house them, ship them over in their thousands. Ireland can get many jobs here, bolster the economy as we train the youth in discipline. A win win scenario and blue print to sell to the commonwealth?

they will arrive back in the UK ready for work, trained in trades we need, no media studies - plumbers, sparks, mechanics, roofers, carpenters..

Media studies - one of those airy fairy non-subjects that no-one is sure what people are actually trained to do.