[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Why have you ignored my question?
I asked what did she say that was true?

Well don't mean to butt in here,but she did say people pretend they are not scared,but in truth they are,that IS the truth,whether it is justified or not,I fear for my kids in the future and wonder what they will have to live through,say if Sharia law ever got hold,how would my daughter fare ? people may say it will never happen,but how many times has that been said only to leave us with egg on our face,I am all for multi culturism,but I am against people coming here and trying to force their way of living on us ,and take away ours,I don't care what colour they are,but some peoples cultures are far from how I want to live and want my kids to live,so yes she is right,people can stand up and say we will never be beaten and we are not scared,get behind closed doors a lot of people are both. Hope you are well Marsh

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well don't mean to butt in here,but she did say people pretend they are not scared,but in truth they are,that IS the truth,whether it is justified or not,I fear for my kids in the future and wonder what they will have to live through,say if Sharia law ever got hold,how would my daughter fare ? people may say it will never happen,but how many times has that been said only to leave us with egg on our face,I am all for multi culturism,but I am against people coming here and trying to force their way of living on us ,and take away ours,I don't care what colour they are,but some peoples cultures are far from how I want to live and want my kids to live,so yes she is right,people can stand up and say we will never be beaten and we are not scared,get behind closed doors a lot of people are both. Hope you are well Marsh

How do you get through the day if one of your worries for your kids is that they might have to live with sharia law?? There are hundreds, probably thousands, of far more realistic worries for things they might face in the future . Why pile more (honestly) totally unrealistic things on top?

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

How do you get through the day if one of your worries for your kids is that they might have to live with sharia law?? There are hundreds, probably thousands, of far more realistic worries for things they might face in the future . Why pile more (honestly) totally unrealistic things on top?

It's not unrealistic, Sharia law is alive and well in Britain already. Yes there are many other worries to worry about but some don't want the added worry of Sharia Law. You may, some don't

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

It's not unrealistic, Sharia law is alive and well in Britain already. Yes there are many other worries to worry about but some don't want the added worry of Sharia Law. You may, some don't

And why shouldn't it be? All Sharia Law can deal with in Britain is civil disputes and business. Sharia courts can't drag anyone in off the streets and can only be used if all parties agree.

Jewish courts (Beth Din) are the same and are in daily use in Britain, and have been for centuries.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

And why shouldn't it be? All Sharia Law can deal with in Britain is civil disputes and business. Sharia courts can't drag anyone in off the streets and can only be used if all parties agree.

Jewish courts (Beth Din) are the same and are in daily use in Britain, and have been for centuries.

I can see Sharia laws being able to deal with other avenues other than civil disputes and business further down the line. I don't want Sharia law ruling my country, which one day I feel it will. If this makes me be deemed as racist then so be it. I am not alone in my thinking

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

I can see Sharia laws being able to deal with other avenues other than civil disputes and business further down the line. I don't want Sharia law ruling my country, which one day I feel it will. If this makes me be deemed as racist then so be it. I am not alone in my thinking Attachment 3680

No it doesn't make you a racist, because Islam isn't a race, and it has followers of all colours of skin.

Being called a racist by a looney leftie, has no meaning. It's just their answer to everything, because they don't have any other answer.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

I can see Sharia laws being able to deal with other avenues other than civil disputes and business further down the line. I don't want Sharia law ruling my country, which one day I feel it will. If this makes me be deemed as racist then so be it. I am not alone in my thinking Attachment 3680

Do you understand how laws come into being? They are voted in, they don't just pop into existence.

Sharia Law would have to go through the different houses of Parliament and succeed in several votes before it became law and public perception would play a massive role in it's potential to succeed. No political party would champion it and it wouldn't get any support thus making it unlikely to ever become law.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

I can see Sharia laws being able to deal with other avenues other than civil disputes and business further down the line. I don't want Sharia law ruling my country, which one day I feel it will. If this makes me be deemed as racist then so be it. I am not alone in my thinking Attachment 3680

It doesn't make you racist, it just makes you lack understanding as to why both Jews and Muslims have their own civil law and why it can't and won't ever become more than that.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

It's not unrealistic, Sharia law is alive and well in Britain already. Yes there are many other worries to worry about but some don't want the added worry of Sharia Law. You may, some don't

It IS unrealistic. Sharia Law is not in effect in the UK, nobody can force you or anyone else to follow it.

The whole idea that muslims are gonna 'take over' is ignorant. There's three main ways a minority can become a majority and none of them are realistic when it comes to the UK.

The first is a military coup of power, that's not going to happen since there isn't much of a Muslim presence in the Army to begin with, never mind one with an extremist mindset. Terrorist organisations will never be able to organise and arm a big enough force to mount an attack that could wrest power from the government. IS has to claim responsibility for any and all attacks to maintain the illusion that they have an international presence.

The second is a political coup which, given the attitude towards Sadiq Khan based on the fact that he is a muslim, it isn't likely that someone with terrorist ties and extremist views could ever get close enough given that all Muslims are viewed with suspicion. Plus they'd need support to make it stick and the vast majority of the population (including muslims) aren't wouldn't agree to it.

The last is the idea that extremist Muslims will gain a majority by excessive breeding, this is particularly stupid given that there are only 3 million Muslims in the UK in comparison to the 81 million people of other faiths and beliefs. Cut the 3 million number down to match the fact that extremists are a minority within the Muslim community and you're looking at, at most, a few thousand people (if you're being generous with numbers) trying to outbreed millions upon millions of people. It's not going to happen.

The idea of an Islam takeover is one fuelled by ignorance and hysteria rather than an actual possibility.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It IS unrealistic. Sharia Law is not in effect in the UK, nobody can force you or anyone else to follow it.

The whole idea that muslims are gonna 'take over' is ignorant. There's three main ways a minority can become a majority and none of them are realistic when it comes to the UK.

It's not going to happen.

The idea of an Islam takeover is one fuelled by ignorance and hysteria rather than an actual possibility.

I live in a very heavily populated muslim area, I am fast becoming a minority. I have to say though, I do hope you are right in what you say because I like your positivity. I guess only time will tell.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

I live in a very heavily populated muslim area, I am fast becoming a minority. I have to say though, I do hope you are right in what you say because I like your positivity. I guess only time will tell.

It's not positivity, it's common sense and you aren't becoming a minority, you'll never be a minority and you shouldn't fear Muslims, no group of people have suffered more loss at the hands of 'islamic' terrorists have suffered than Muslims themselves.

If you're going to worry about extremists taking over then you may as well fear the moon crashing into us because they both have the same likelihood of happening.

[Tozzie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's not positivity, it's common sense and you aren't becoming a minority, you'll never be a minority and you shouldn't fear Muslims, no group of people have suffered more loss at the hands of 'islamic' terrorists have suffered than Muslims themselves.

If you're going to worry about extremists taking over then you may as well fear the moon crashing into us because they both have the same likelihood of happening.

The demographics of the area I live in The religious make up of xxxxxxxx is 46.7% Muslim, 33.5% Christian, 13.0% No religion, 0.3% Sikh, 0.2% Hindu, 0.1% Buddhist. I am in the minority of where I live. I live in an area of West Yorkshire.

Isis are recruiting daily, more and more becoming extremists, none of us can see into the future, we can all only speculate.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's not positivity, it's common sense and you aren't becoming a minority, you'll never be a minority and you shouldn't fear Muslims, no group of people have suffered more loss at the hands of 'islamic' terrorists have suffered than Muslims themselves.

If you're going to worry about extremists taking over then you may as well fear the moon crashing into us because they both have the same likelihood of happening.

She has just told you that in the area she lives she is in the minority, I understand what she is saying I live in a similar area the difference is I have always lived in multicultural boroughs in London so I am perfectly used to it, if however I returned to Ireland and found the area I grew up was now completely changed culturally I probably would have an issue with that!! I think for some of the older generations they have seen so much change in their life time it is difficult to comes to terms with it. If you have grown up with it as my kids have they have no issues whatsoever but I have have a 85 year old neighbour who remembers when the area was different and has a different view, that's not racism that is someone who has seen a complete change in their lifetime and is not happy at the loss of her community and neighbourhood.