[Tom4784]

I finished it.

It went from boring, to watchable but bad to straight up ****.

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The plot is all over the place and the influx of random villains and enemies at the end is just stupid. Bakuto and Davos were literally there to fill up a few episodes and (in the process) their presence managed to totally destroy the only interesting orginal character in Iron First. Colleen being part of the Hand is a crap twist that makes no sense and completely derails her character, it makes her look dumb and naive which she wasn't before the twist happened. Also Harold and Bakuto make Diamondback look like a subtle and nuanced villain, I'm surprised there was any scenery left by the end given how they were feasting on it and not in a good way.

The whole last episode with Danny on the run just felt out of place, like the writers ran out of ideas and threw it together by taking inspirations from the most generic sources possible. The fact that they presented Harold as such a threat to Danny when they fought was just silly, like I said before, the writers have a bad habit of making Danny look incompetent because they don't know how to balance out his powers. Even with one hand, Danny should have destroyed Harold. What the writers SHOULD have done was introduce Davos earlier, develop him, have both Bakuto and Harold killed off before the last episode and have the last episode based around the build up of bad blood between Danny and Davos.

Don't even get me started on the fact that Joy went from turning against her dad because he framed Danny in one scene to wanting Danny dead for some nonsensical reason in the next. It was eye rolling-ly bad.

The only good points were Claire and Gao and the writers made the same mistake that Luke Cage's writers did in jettisoning Gao (IE the only interesting villain) partway through, thankfully they had the sense not to kill her off.

IF there's a season 2, I'm just going to read a plot summary. I can't watch another 13 hours of this ****.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

IF there's a season 2, I'm just going to read a plot summary. I can't watch another 13 hours of this ****.

To be fair, if there is an S2 I think it would be a fair bet that there will be some dramatic improvements. Because it's not a shown-while-still-filming series (obviously, being Netflix) they have to disadvantage of the product being set in stone before there's any feedback... and I think they'll have been taking serious note on the feedback on this one. The feedback for DD 1&2, JJ and LC was for the mostpart all good. This will have caught Marvelflix off guard and if they do run another Iron Fist series I'd imagine they will be trying very hard to redeem it. They can do that fairly easily in terms of production and writing... their main stumbling block of course is going to be Danny himself. I think the actor might just not be very good . BUT It's sort of difficult to tell because some of the dialogue is so badly written. Like... my-7-year-old-could-have-written-this sort of bad. People being stabbed in the belly bleeding everywhere and someone being like "OMG u OK?" sort of bad .

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fair, if there is an S2 I think it would be a fair bet that there will be some dramatic improvements. Because it's not a shown-while-still-filming series (obviously, being Netflix) they have to disadvantage of the product being set in stone before there's any feedback... and I think they'll have been taking serious note on the feedback on this one. The feedback for DD 1&2, JJ and LC was for the mostpart all good. This will have caught Marvelflix off guard and if they do run another Iron Fist series I'd imagine they will be trying very hard to redeem it. They can do that fairly easily in terms of production and writing... their main stumbling block of course is going to be Danny himself. I think the actor might just not be very good . BUT It's sort of difficult to tell because some of the dialogue is so badly written. Like... my-7-year-old-could-have-written-this sort of bad. People being stabbed in the belly bleeding everywhere and someone being like "OMG u OK?" sort of bad .

I think there's always been one flaw that has been present in all the Marvelflix series (although it's affected JJ the least despite the efforts of the cop character whose name I've thankfully forgot) and that's that they nearly always lose steam halfway through due to poor narrative choices (although IF was a mess from the start).

Wilson Fisk became a drag in DD S1 because he was overexposed and the writers made a mistake in replacing the Daredevil/Punisher dynamic with generic ninjas in Season 2 instead of presenting an actual villain, They wasted Elektra in a similar fashion to Colleen as well. Iron Fist and Luke Cage both had the same issues in that they replaced an interesting villain with a contrived one (or three, in Iron Fist's case).

I don't think they've done a good job of learning from their mistakes thus far, I think the only hope of me bothering with S2 of IF is if the Defenders writers handle his character better and the IF writers follow their lead.