[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

How can Labour make sure the law is upheld,they brought the ban in around 2005.
They have not been the govt.for the last 7 years,why have your Cons not made the Police enforce this.
I'll tell you why,because the Cons are in principle against the ban,so will not make sure it's enforced.
Hence now bringing it back.

Perhaps had Labour won in 2010 or 2015 and when it was clear these hunt organisers could get away with illegally flouting the ban,then Labour could be asked why they were able to get away with that.

People who love animals should be grateful Labour brought the ban in,in the first place.
Rather than not get at the Con led govts of the last 7 years,who have let their supporters/friends/donaters in these hunts get-away with breaking the law.

They won't be breaking any law once she holds this vote and it's legalised again.
Why does only the Con party advocate legalising this again.
That's the question people would be better asking.

Labour banned it so should have enforced it more,it should have been slammed down on as soon as the 'toffs' started to flout the law. I agree any government that were in power after then should also have enforced it,so to me,Labour did so well banning it,but let us all down again by not enforcing it,We know Conservatives failed to do so,but Labour kinda failed too,even if Labour get in again,they wont bother too much with this law,it will still go on.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Labour banned it so should have enforced it more,it should have been slammed down on as soon as the 'toffs' started to flout the law. I agree any government that were in power after then should also have enforced it,so to me,Labour did so well banning it,but let us all down again by not enforcing it,We know Conservatives failed to do so,but Labour kinda failed too,even if Labour get in again,they wont bother too much with this law,it will still go on.

Unbelievable,Labour bring the ban in but should have dealt with people who would break the law.
So it's their fault these jumped up sick huntspeople don't respect laws.

Labour were bothered enough to ban it in the first place despite Conservative opposition to a ban.

You let the Cons off again, this is one area of lawbreaking the Conservatives are not bothered about.
The ban has been in place around 12 years,the Cons have been in govt.for over 7 of those years,and allowed the law to be broken.
Not the Labour party or any other party.

Now these want to legalise it again and you will get at Labour and find ways to excuse the Cons who have not pursued their 'friends' breaking this law.
How on earth do you know Labour would not have tightened this law up had they stayed in power,after getting reports of repeated lawbreaking as to it.

Now the Cons again show their true colours on this and will vote to bring it back.
Yet this is Labour's fault.
For crying out loud.
Really I give up.I really do.
Unbelievable.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Unbelievable,Labour bring the ban in but should have dealt with people who would break the law.
So it's their fault these jumped up sick huntspeople don't respect laws.

Labour were bothered enough to ban it in the first place despite Conservative opposition to a ban.

You let the Cons off again, this is one area of lawbreaking the Conservatives are not bothered about.
The ban has been in place around 12 years,the Cons have been in govt.for over 7 of those years,and allowed the law to be broken.
Not the Labour party or any other party.

Now these want to legalise it again and you will get at Labour and find ways to excuse the Cons who have not pursued their 'friends' breaking this law.
How on earth do you know Labour would not have tightened this law up had they stayed in power,after getting reports of repeated lawbreaking as to it.

Now the Cons again show their true colours on this and will vote to bring it back.
Yet this is Labour's fault.
For crying out loud.
Really I give up.I really do.
Unbelievable.

I meant Joey that those three years labour were still in power,fox hunting was still going on,there was no punishments as such, IF they had enforced it better maybe by the time the Tories got in people may have thought twice about doing it,I am not letting the Tories off the hook,they failed too,I just think while labour banned it and were still in power they still let people break the law.they had 3 years to follow it up,they failed,so have left the field open for the vote to bring it back,that is all,I am trying to say .You bring a law in,you damn well make sure that law is respected and adhered to otherwise no one will take it seriously,it shouldn't be up for debate,it is abhorrent,but so are a lot of things humans call entertainment which all includes cruelty to animals.that's the human race for you.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I meant Joey that those three years labour were still in power,fox hunting was still going on,there was no punishments as such, IF they had enforced it better maybe by the time the Tories got in people may have thought twice about doing it,I am not letting the Tories off the hook,they failed too,I just think while labour banned it and were still in power they still let people break the law.they had 3 years to follow it up,they failed,so have left the field open for the vote to bring it back,that is all,I am trying to say .You bring a law in,you damn well make sure that law is respected and adhered to otherwise no one will take it seriously,it shouldn't be up for debate,it is abhorrent,but so are a lot of things humans call entertainment which all includes cruelty to animals.that's the human race for you.

You bring in a law and expect people to act according to the law.
Yet the hunt organisers started to find ways to act illegally.

I would doubt a large number of illegal hunts took place in the early years actually.

There's a law in place,that should be abided by if the hunt supporters break the law,they should be prosecuted.

That they are not,is a reflection on the Police and govt too.
I repeat, this was made law in 2005.rolled out thereafter.
The last 7 years has the Party that was against banning it in power and them in that 7 years not doing a thing to ensure prosecution of their hunting friends.

Since 2015, the Cons have been intent on making it legal again,it was there is the 2015 manifesto and will be there this time again.
They have never liked it banned in any shape or form.
Only.them,no other party.

If it is made legal again,they will be the only ones to do it and want it to be.
Everyone who votes for May's Con party this time will be helping them do it too.

That's fine if people aren't bothered either way but they cannot then shed tears for the animals that will be legally chased and hunted down by dogs again for good,when this passes the vote she will be putting to Parliament.
.... and I predict it will be passed with great ease too with lots more Con MPs.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

You bring in a law and expect people to act according to the law.
Yet the hunt organisers started to find ways to act illegally.

I would doubt a large number of illegal hunts took place in the early years actually.

There's a law in place,that should be abided by if the hunt supporters break the law,they should be prosecuted.

That they are not,is a reflection on the Police and govt too.
I repeat, this was made law in 2005.rolled out thereafter.
The last 7 years has the Party that was against banning it in power and them in that 7 years not doing a thing to ensure prosecution of their hunting friends.

Since 2015, the Cons have been intent on making it legal again,it was there is the 2015 manifesto and will be there this time again.
They have never liked it banned in any shape or form.
Only.them,no other party.

If it is made legal again,they will be the only ones to do it and want it to be.
Everyone who votes for May's Con party this time will be helping them do it too.

That's fine if people aren't bothered either way but they cannot then shed tears for the animals that will be legally chased and hunted down by dogs again for good,when this passes the vote she will be putting to Parliament.
.... and I predict it will be passed with great ease too with lots more Con MPs.

But it maybe passed Joey with the votes of other party members too ,it's not just the Conservatives that partake ,but I will leave it here as I don't want to annoy you,but rest assured,I wont be voting for anyone if it goes to a negative vote.