[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm looking for it and hoping I didn't post the wrong link and was thinking of this one. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-39885792

Okay good, it has nothing to do with PISA! Your OP implied it was all about PISA, those tests are honestly a waste of time, especially for 15 years olds.
I'm all for a better education system, I've said that before in the thread. But education shouldnt be measured by PISA, I'm so relieved nobody said it should be!

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Okay good, it has nothing to do with PISA! Your OP implied it was all about PISA, those tests are honestly a waste of time, especially for 15 years olds.
I'm all for a better education system, I've said that before in the thread. But education shouldnt be measured by PISA, I'm so relieved nobody said it should be!

I'll stand by what I said though You don't know that the PISA results are without value.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'll stand by what I said though You don't know that the PISA results are without value.

If you're common sense tells you that testing a random sample of 15 year olds in an unimportant test that conflicts with their GCSEs is a good measurement of the UKs education system, (despite nobody telling you otherwise anyway, you clearly misinterpreted Nicola) then thats your prerogative.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

If you're common sense tells you that testing a random sample of 15 year olds in an unimportant test that conflicts with their GCSEs is a good measurement of the UKs education system, (despite nobody telling you otherwise anyway, you clearly misinterpreted Nicola) then thats your prerogative.

Scotland's own figures show a drop in standards so you can't really discount the PISA results. But my apologies if my link was confusing or lack of multiple links was confusing. I can't paste links on the tablet so came to look for what I'd read the other day on the PC where I can paste links.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Scotland's own figures show a drop in standards so you can't really discount the PISA results. But my apologies if my link was confusing or lack of multiple links was confusing.

PISA tests should be discounted by everybody always, unless they test every school and every age.

The sources that you have added are interesting and makes our discussion kinda pointless, to summarise, PISA tests are stupid and have zero reflection on education in the UK.

I'll look through your other articles later, I honestly think we can agree with the points raised within them there - i do think the UK education system is a bit ****e in places, but you cant make this point with pisa scores.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

PISA tests should be discounted by everybody always, unless they test every school and every age.

The sources that you have added are interesting and makes our discussion kinda pointless, to summarise, PISA tests are stupid and have zero reflection on education in the UK.

I'll look through your other articles later, I honestly think we can agree with the points raised within them there - it was your original point about pisa which was annoying me.

I'm sorry Withano but you are still making bald statements about these PISA tests with absolutely nothing to back up your statements or claims apart from opinion. You can't state that as fact, you don't know it is fact. I don't know it as fact but I wouldn't take just your word on it without some sort of evidence that backs you up. Unless you have some sort of qualification that names you an expert on the subject of course?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm sorry Withano but you are still making bald statements about these PISA tests with absolutely nothing to back up your statements or claims apart from opinion. You can't state that as fact, you don't know it is fact. I don't know it as fact but I wouldn't take just your word on it without some sort of evidence that backs you up. Unless you have some sort of qualification that names you an expert on the subject of course?

Originally Posted by Withano

If you're common sense tells you that testing a random sample of 15 year olds in an unimportant test that conflicts with their GCSEs is a good measurement of the UKs education system, (despite nobody telling you otherwise anyway, you clearly misinterpreted Nicola) then thats your prerogative.

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[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano View Post
If you're common sense tells you that testing a random sample of 15 year olds in an unimportant test that conflicts with their GCSEs is a good measurement of the UKs education system, (despite nobody telling you otherwise anyway, you clearly misinterpreted Nicola) then thats your prerogative.

Personalised Judgement in this case without any specialised knowledge is pretty worthless.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Personalised Judgement in this case without any specialised knowledge is pretty worthless.

Hows your judgement on pisa being an excellent test of the UKs education system without a source going?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Hows your judgement on pisa being an excellent test of the UKs education system without a source going?

Except that isn't what I said, is it?

[Cherry Christmas]

If these tests are so stupid and should be ignored why are they carried out, publicised etc, you could argue most tests are stupid as teachers cram students in what they know is most likely to come up in exams rather than what is on the curriculum, so most exams are skewed in one way or another, and the water is muddied further by retakes, also exams differ between country to country, you could argue the PISA test is the same test taken by all so is more valid?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

If these tests are so stupid and should be ignored why are they carried out, publicised etc, you could argue most tests are stupid as teachers cram students in what they know is most likely to come up in exams rather than what is on the curriculum, so most exams are skewed in one way or another, and the water is muddied further by retakes, also exams differ between country to country, you could argue the PISA test is the same test taken by all so is more valid?

1. You changing your avatar is confusing
2. I think they should absolutely be abolished. Or at least open to other age groups. You cant compare a stressed-with-exams-and-coursework 15 year old brit to a Singaporean that has fewer exams, obviously results will always be inconclusive there.
3. Other factors such as language barriers, the schools chosen at random etc are also detracting from its findings

Its just a bizarre thing to put schoolkids through, no conclusions should be made. Literally nobody is making conclusions either apart from Jaxie lol. Nicola has literally never mentioned pisa lol.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Cherie

If these tests are so stupid and should be ignored why are they carried out, publicised etc, you could argue most tests are stupid as teachers cram students in what they know is most likely to come up in exams rather than what is on the curriculum, so most exams are skewed in one way or another, and the water is muddied further by retakes, also exams differ between country to country, you could argue the PISA test is the same test taken by all so is more valid?

It wouldnt be so stupid if they were in favour of their preferred party