[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

We will see. Let's wait and see shall we rather than trying to convince everyone that Corbyn will be the next PM - that is reaching. Don't know what you hope to achieve.

When have I said that? You've gone beyond delusional and are now arguing against imaginary posts, it seems.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Thats cool, you must be pretty psyched about the dup and tory coalition then! All the tory austerity with the antiwomen rights you love.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

They are the only thing giving the Tories a majority and unlike the Lib Dems in the previous coalition, they aren't likely to play ball if the Tories propose something that goes against their beliefs.

The Tories will likely have to make concessions to the DUP to keep them onside.

As for the 'dramatics and scaremongering' remark, how can you tell? It seems like you have your head buried quite deeply in the sand.

TBH it doesn't really matter because it'll only take 11 rebel Tory MP's who are against the DUP to stop this so I don't see it lasting long

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Riley.

TBH it doesn't really matter because it'll only take 11 rebel Tory MP's who are against the DUP to stop this so I don't see it lasting long

Are you predicting another election Riley? genuinely interested..

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

'Doubt' being the keyword. Everybody, including the dup knows that the ball is in their court. They can demand the world and the tories will have to accept or face a snap election. You have an odd amount of faith in the tories.

You have an odd amount of faith in the public voting for Corbyn in another election. I should imagine many would be pretty sick of having to do it yet again especially with Corbyn getting so damn cocky about it all. Jo public have a habit of rebelling when pushed and not always in the expected direction.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You have an odd amount of faith in the public voting for Corbyn in another election. I should imagine many would be pretty sick of having to do it yet again especially with Corbyn getting so damn cocky about it all. Jo public have a habit of rebelling when pushed and not always in the expected direction.

Oh I don't think you have a lot of faith in the British, we're not petty small minded or vindictive! Where's your patriotism?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

You have an odd amount of faith in the public voting for Corbyn in another election. I should imagine many would be pretty sick of having to do it yet again especially with Corbyn getting so damn cocky about it all. Jo public have a habit of rebelling when pushed and not always in the expected direction.

People are so sick of it!... But I cant take you Crobyn and cocky stance seriously. The snap was announced because the tories thought they could get a historic landslide victory lmao...

Corbyn does seem quietly confident, and I guess thats because hes narrowed down the possibilities to two win/win scenarios:

the tories bending over backwards to get the DUP on their side, which will piss off a hell of a lot of tories because the dup are disgusting... or another election called by the tories that will further frustrate the public. Tories have truly ****ed it, and Corbyn knows this I think.

[joeysteele]

Labour failed to win the election but won with the momentum building the removal of this arrogant woman's overall majority.

It would never happen but,if the DUP only voted on merit,no deals,then it is possible either the Cons or Labour could govern.
This is a hung parliament,NO ONE won outright.

She will get a Queens speech through for now with DUP support only.
If she didn't however,then Corbyn and Labour would be given the opportunity of presenting a Queens speech.

It would then be up to all other Parties,to vote it down and then bring about a new election.
Which likely would gain Labour now even more seats,with there being around 20 seats where Labour or just above to even well below only 1000 votes behind the Cons.

Interesting times for UK politics to come but in this election Labour won enough seats to wipe out the Con overall majority.
Which means the Cons lost that overall majority.
That's the facts of this election.

Bring another on I say, it could lead to even a majority Labour govt the next time.
The Cons lost 3 elections in a row between 1997 to 2010.

These last 3 lost for Labour but 2 of them resulting in hung parliaments,may be the last losses as to elections for Labour for a period.
With newer more Labour inclined younger voters gaining being electorate status every day from now as they reach the age of 18.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

People are so sick of it!... But I cant take you Crobyn and cocky stance seriously. The snap was announced because the tories thought they could get a historic landslide victory lmao...

Corbyn does seem quietly confident, and I guess thats because hes narrowed down the possibilities to two win/win scenarios:

the tories bending over backwards to get the DUP on their side, which will piss off a hell of a lot of tories because the dup are disgusting... or another election called by the tories that will further frustrate the public. Tories have truly ****ed it, and Corbyn knows this I think.

He thinks he does!

[Brother Leon]

What a reach. It's is duty to fight anything the government does that challenges his progressive values. You guys stay mad though. He smells blood in the Torrie camp and he's rightfully gunning for them, Let's not act like May didn't do the exact same calling the snap election.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Labour failed to win the election but won with the momentum building the removal of this arrogant woman's overall majority.

It would never happen but,if the DUP only voted on merit,no deals,then it is possible either the Cons or Labour could govern.
This is a hung parliament,NO ONE won outright.

She will get a Queens speech through for now with DUP support only.
If she didn't however,then Corbyn and Labour would be given the opportunity of presenting a Queens speech.

It would then be up to all other Parties,to vote it down and then bring about a new election.
Which likely would gain Labour now even more seats,with there being around 20 seats where Labour or just above to even well below only 1000 votes behind the Cons.

Interesting times for UK politics to come but in this election Labour won enough seats to wipe out the Con overall majority.
Which means the Cons lost that overall majority.
That's the facts of this election.

Bring another on I say, it could lead to even a majority Labour govt the next time.
The Cons lost 3 elections in a row between 1997 to 2010.

These last 3 lost for Labour but 2 of them resulting in hung parliaments,may be the last losses as to elections for Labour for a period.
With newer more Labour inclined younger voters gaining being electorate status every day from now as they reach the age of 18.

I bet the pied piper is rubbing his hands together with glee and salivating at the prospect of all those naive newly turned 18s ripe for the picking and ready to be led - what a way to win an election.

[Jack_]

Nobody won the election. We have a hung parliament. As the incumbents, the Conservatives are entitled to attempt to command a majority in the House of Commons. If they cannot do so on votes of confidence and supply (budget, Queen's Speech etc) then the monarch invites the leader of the opposition to attempt to form a government. If neither the opposition or the incumbents can command a majority in this 14 day period, under the Fixed Term Parliaments Act another general election is called. Please do some research before spouting off. Indeed, to quote you - 'the system is the system - I always find it a bit pathetic how the losers always try to blame the system'.

There are several moderate Tories who may feel uncomfortable being propped up by the DUP, and the latter's MPs are not always going to be in Westminster to vote on legislation. The gamble they'll all be taking is this: abstain or vote down their government, and risk putting Jeremy Corbyn into number ten. Do I think this is going to happen in the short term? No. But if it did, Corbyn would be invited to attempt to command a majority, and all that those MPs who abstained/voted no previously would have to do is either continue to abstain, or vote a Labour-led minority government up on issues of confidence and supply. And, if they didn't, they'd be staring another election in the face and that's the last thing the Tories want. Again, this is unlikely, but it is protocol.

Either way, this minority administration is completely unworkable. I don't see it lasting.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I bet the pied piper is rubbing his hands together with glee and salivating at the prospect of all those naive newly turned 18s ripe for the picking and ready to be led - what a way to win an election.

A bit like the Tories salivating for the naive who believe their neoliberal lies on economic competence and who think immigrants and welfare cheats are to blame for an economic crisis they didn't cause?

Your disdain for young people is alarming.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Jack_

A bit like the Tories salivating for the naive who believe their neoliberal lies on economic competence and who think immigrants and welfare cheats are to blame for an economic crisis they didn't cause?

Your disdain for young people is alarming.

It isn't disdain. It is a knowledge of young people and their general disinterest and lack of knowledge in politics under 20. To say otherwise is either naive or wilful dishonesty. Do you think Corbyn doesn't know that? He is nothing if not astute in his judgement of young people.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It isn't disdain. It is a knowledge of young people and their general disinterest and lack of knowledge in politics under 20. To say otherwise is either naive or wilful dishonesty. Do you think Corbyn doesn't know that? He is nothing if not astute in his judgement of young people.

How rude, what a ridiculous thing to say,they have as much access as anyone to information as well as the intellect to form a reasoned opinion should they choose to become politically engaged.
His policies do not only engage young adults, but across the generations.

Your narrow minded stance is thankfully on the wain in this country.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Riley.

TBH it doesn't really matter because it'll only take 11 rebel Tory MP's who are against the DUP to stop this so I don't see it lasting long

Well yes...all tories aren't soulless ****ing dementors. Some do actually see that this is ****ed up and do not want to align themselves with anti-women anti-gay extremists. I wouldn't be surprtised to see a few rebels tbh.

Boris will be leader of the tories soon IMO. Which I think might actually be worse than May

[King Gizzard]

Great guy, sticks to his principles unlike chicken **** May, cares for other humans unlike Chicken **** May, and most importantly of all the beard game has been on point for 24 years

[Kazanne]

Just heard the DUP would NEVER prop up Corbyn,why is that?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Just heard the DUP would NEVER prop up Corbyn,why is that?

I expect because of his links with Sein Finn thats been gone on about for the past few months?

or maybe he is too left wing for far right parties

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It isn't disdain. It is a knowledge of young people and their general disinterest and lack of knowledge in politics under 20. To say otherwise is either naive or wilful dishonesty. Do you think Corbyn doesn't know that? He is nothing if not astute in his judgement of young people.

With all due respect, you really have no idea what you're talking about. I'd be willing to bet that 70-80% of students in further and certainly higher education have an interest in or are actively engaged in politics. I've been through this recently, I've seen it and I can vouch for it. Moreover, a healthy percentage of these young people take a social science based subject, and learn far more about political ideologies than the vast majority of the electorate.

The reason young people have typically not turned up to vote is because successive governments and political parties have not attempted to speak to them. It's a vicious circle. Couple that with the Tories insistence on cutting support to critical thinking/citizenship/politics based courses (which should, IMO, be taught compulsory from Y9 onwards) and is it any wonder little - until now - have seen a point in voting? The less politically engaged and educated young people are (and dare I say a large portion of the electorate too), the more it benefits the Tories.

Look, the large majority of the entire electorate are not politically educated. They think about politics for five minutes in the space of an election campaign, and that's on the way to the polling station. But if I were a betting man, I'd say a percentage of young people are more likely to have taken an interest in researching and studying politics and becoming politically engaged - than the the other demographical breakdowns of the electorate.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Yeah, DUP certainly don't have anti-women's rights views at all.

The delusion is real.

Don't be silly. They ain't Muslims. White people cant possibly e extremists.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Just heard the DUP would NEVER prop up Corbyn,why is that?

Because he doesn't believe the earth was created 4000yrs ago?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Just heard the DUP would NEVER prop up Corbyn,why is that?

Is this a real question?

For exactly the same reasons that the SNP, Greens, Plaid etc. would never prop up the Conservatives. Complete political incompatibility.

The Lib Dems foolishly tried to in 2010 and it completely devastated their party.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Just heard the DUP would NEVER prop up Corbyn,why is that?

They are politically incompatible but the REAL, HUMAN reason Kazanne in N. Ireland is that he was an IRA supporter who sympathised with their murderous campaign of bombing and killing their way to an United Ireland instead of letting the people decide through the democratic process of the ballot box whether they wanted it or not. Which the majority did not....

.....and Arlene Foster, the leader of the DUPs father was shot in the head by the the IRA.


http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-34592138.html

By Adrian Rutherford
April 2 2016

First Minister Arlene Foster has slammed a Sinn Fein MLA who paid tribute to the man who she believes tried to murder her father.

Sean Lynch posted a message marking the birthday of his "friend", the IRA man Seamus McElwain.

McElwain was shot dead by the SAS in 1986 as he and Lynch tried to ambush an Army patrol near Roslea, Co Fermanagh.

Yesterday the Fermanagh-South Tyrone MLA took to his Twitter page to remember his "comrade".

He wrote: "Remembering my friend and comrade Vol Seamus Mc Elwain. Born 1st April 1960, hard to believe he would be 56 today."

The tweet included links to a Google search of McElwain's paramilitary past.

Mrs Foster has previously named McElwain as the man she believed tried to shoot dead her father.

Speaking to the Belfast Telegraph, the DUP leader said he should be remembered for his past as "an evil and sectarian killer".

"He is not someone to be remembered in any warm way," she added.

The First Minister also accused Lynch of seeking to rewrite the past.

"I have used the scars of the past to motivate me to build a better Northern Ireland for my children," she said.

"But so long as people like Lynch try to rewrite the past, I will expose them at every turn.

"Glorifying McElwain sends an utterly mixed message to dissident republican terrorists."

The furore comes just days after Lynch caused anger among unionists after an anti-British rant during an Easter commemoration in a border village.

The Sinn Fein MLA said that the British Empire "was built on oppression, discrimination, torture and death".

McElwain was a member of the IRA's south Fermanagh brigade, and was previously linked to at least 10 murders.

These included the killings of off-duty UDR man Aubrey Abercrombie near Florencecourt, and Ernest Johnston, an off-duty RUC Reserve Constable, near Roslea, both in 1980.

On April 26, 1986, McElwain and Lynch had been preparing a huge landmine to ambush an Army patrol on the Lisnaskea to Roslea road. However, the SAS was waiting for them and opened fire on the pair, killing McElwain.

Lynch was seriously wounded and spent four months in hospital before being jailed for 25 years for possession of explosives and a rifle.

He was released in 1998 under the terms of the Good Friday Agreement and elected a Sinn Fein MLA for Fermanagh-South Tyrone in 2011.

In a BBC interview earlier this year Mrs Foster said that she believed McElwain attempted to murder her father John Kelly in 1979. The part-time policeman was shot in the head by the IRA at the family farm near Roslea, but survived.

Mrs Foster also spoke of the difficulties caused by Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness's graveside oration at McElwain's funeral.

Mr McGuinness said McElwain was a "freedom fighter murdered by a British terrorist".

Referring to yesterday's tweet, Mrs Foster said it was wrong for Lynch to glorify McElwain.

She added: "McElwain was a notorious gunman. He was behind the murder and attempted murder of many Protestants along the Fermanagh border.

"I am led to believe that he was the man who came to murder my father.

"He is not someone to be remembered in any warm way. He was, as the judge said, a dangerous killer.

"McElwain was shot as he was planning to murder soldiers. Had he not escaped from the Maze Prison, he wouldn't have come into contact with the SAS.

"Whilst at his funeral he was labelled as a freedom fighter, he is remembered locally as an evil and sectarian killer.

"Sean Lynch was also preparing to ambush those soldiers. Lynch says that McElwain would have been 56 years old now, but makes no mention of Corporal Aubrey Abercrombie or Constable Ernest Johnston, who were murdered by McElwain."

Lynch's post also drew condemnation from a Fermanagh-based victims' campaigner.

Kenny Donaldson, from Innocent Victims United, said: "Sean Lynch, along with other 'comrades', are well aware that there is an election round the corner and in recent times he and others have upped their militant republican triumphalism.

"Because of the actions of Seamus McElwain, Sean Lynch and others, very many men and women never reached the age of 56 - in many cases they didn't even reach 25.

"Let's be absolutely clear: Seamus McElwain was a terrorist, he was a serial killer who roamed the south Fermanagh area along with Mr Lynch and others in search of their next victim."

It is the second time in a week that Lynch has caused anger over his views on the past.

On Monday during a Sinn Fein Easter commemoration in Pettigo on the Donegal-Fermanagh border he angered unionists with anti-British comments.

"The British Empire was built on oppression, discrimination, torture and death," he said. "Ireland, which endured centuries of occupation, was no different."

Citing the Easter Rising as a reason why he joined the IRA, Lynch went on to say the Provos had the same legitimacy as the men of 1916.

Belfast Telegraph