[user104658]

Originally Posted by jaxie

You did indeed reference race when you mentioned 'white people'. Inferring the issue lies with colour. I don't know why you are calling them middle eastern men, I would imagine they are all British citizens or press coverage would mention they were foreign nationals.

I mentioned the "white people can't be racist" thing as another example of rhetoric that promotes backlash; not in any way related to making THIS case about race.

If it helps, I could have used the un-race-related example of the vegan cafe "man tax" thread? i.e. it isn't untrue that there are some inequalities between genders, but addressing it in certain ways promotes unhelpful backlash. That is the entirety of what I'm talking about.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I mentioned the "white people can't be racist" thing as another example of rhetoric that promotes backlash; not in any way related to making THIS case about race.

If it helps, I could have used the un-race-related example of the vegan cafe "man tax" thread? i.e. it isn't untrue that there are some inequalities between genders, but addressing it in certain ways promotes unhelpful backlash. That is the entirety of what I'm talking about.

How do you mean unhelpfull backlash though?

Do you mean it could cause random white on asian racist attacks or more muslims thinking what the hell, we are all being tarred with the same brush so lets start raping 10-16 yr old drunk white girls?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

How do you mean unhelpfull backlash though?

Do you mean it could cause random white on asian racist attacks or more muslims thinking what the hell, we are all being tarred with the same brush so lets start raping 10-16 yr old drunk white girls?

By unhelpful I mean that to combat these abhorrent individuals we MUST engage with and integrate with the communities that surround them and - whether you like the sound of it or not - that means diplomacy and holding back on some of that righteous indignation.

Just as feminists attacking or ridiculing males is harmful to equality for females, and black people being spiteful towards white people is harmful to black communities, because rightly or wrongly, people will react badly to perceived injustice.

So again... It really all comes down to whether you'd rather be a part of the solution, or feel better "having a rant" but being ultimately a contributor to the problem.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

This was debated yesterday, a few callers (all male Asian men) were incensed that the ring were being referred to as Muslim Asians, yet as another caller pointed out no one had a problem with outing Catholic priests so let's call them what they are because otherwise it's just trying to bury it

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I have read, thank you.

Try actually making your point known. Making a random comment in the middle of a forum discussion and I'm supposed to know about this debate you listened to?

2nd post on the thread, but don't let that stop you making ridiculous comments

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

2nd post on the thread, but don't let that stop you making ridiculous comments

"This was debated"

"A few callers"

Yep, sounds like something relevant to this thread.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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Its the muslim men who are outraged? at least that is what came across on the debate,

one also tried to deflect by saying all the girls were vulnerable and should be looked after better...

Originally Posted by Marsh.

"This was debated"

"A few callers"

Yep, sounds like something relevant to this thread.

My posts were related to the debate like I said read and digest

[Parmy]

[QUOTE=Toy Soldier;9545126]By unhelpful I mean that to combat these abhorrent individuals we MUST engage with and integrate with the communities that surround them and - whether you like the sound of it or not - that means diplomacy and holding back on some of that righteous indignation.

Just as feminists attacking or ridiculing males is harmful to equality for females, and black people being spiteful towards white people is harmful to black communities, because rightly or wrongly, people will react badly to perceived injustice.

So again... It really all comes down to whether you'd rather be a part of the solution, or feel better "having a rant" but being ultimately a contributor to
?

Which communities do you wish us to inegrate and engage with?

[user104658]

[QUOTE=parmnion;9545812]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

By unhelpful I mean that to combat these abhorrent individuals we MUST engage with and integrate with the communities that surround them and - whether you like the sound of it or not - that means diplomacy and holding back on some of that righteous indignation.

Just as feminists attacking or ridiculing males is harmful to equality for females, and black people being spiteful towards white people is harmful to black communities, because rightly or wrongly, people will react badly to perceived injustice.

So again... It really all comes down to whether you'd rather be a part of the solution, or feel better "having a rant" but being ultimately a contributor to
?

Which communities do you wish us to inegrate and engage with?

Muslim or asian?

The communities of the mainly Pakistani gang of men who committed these crimes?

[Parmy]

Why? Why should we have to go round cap in hand to their communities.

What will that achieve?

Round my way people go bashing down the doors of local paedophiles!

Surely them being taxi drivers and that, an outraged and indignified local community someone would do something...but no....why?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Why?

What will that achieve?

Round my way people go bashing down the doors of local paedophiles!

Surely them being taxi drivers and that, an outraged and indignified local community someone would do something...but no....why?

Because not everyone is thick enough nor chavvy enough to try to engage in vigilantism?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Why? Why should we have to go round cap in hand to their communities.

What will that achieve?

Well, if you don't try to fundamentally change the root of problems then the problem just continues to perpetuate itself?

Would you rather break down the doors of pedophiles forever more?

Or actually find a solution that can really reduce the potential for abuse of children to occur in the future?

Which is more valuable?