[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Are you not one of the peons who work for a living then? What a horrible patronising attitude to the working class. What brought this scathing ridicule on? Someone said they don't think 22k a year is a poverty line salary.

Why is it necessary to attack or make nasty remarks to those with a different view?

My feeling is they are frustrated at the lack of empathy for those on low incomes, that in itself smacks of ridicule when someone living and working in the capital admits they are struggling to manage on what in other parts of the country would seem average.

A little forethought as to what rent, travel costs,utilities, council tax as well grocery shopping amounts to in the capital. Then perhaps reactionary knee jerk responses like that wouldn't be met with as much frustration?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Only a 'working class attitude' - really! You appear to suggest that you would class yourself as at least 'middle class' and do not appear to have a very positive attitude towards those you consider 'working class'. And you accuse the Tories!!!

Do I now? I'm working class and proud of it. In fact I'm so working class I'm a trade unionist! I love working class people, I just don't like the aspiring working class who think of themselves as middle class just because they have a mortgage and a house with curb appeal.

In my opinion, anyone who's working class and looks down on the unfortunates among us whilst considering themselves middle-class are poseur. I also think that working class folk who vote Tory are subservient to a higher being and it aint God.

I'm sure my words will offend. Just in case they do, Ill say this, If we do not believe in freedom of speech for those we despise we do not believe in it at all.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Do I now? I'm working class and proud of it. In fact I'm so working class I'm a trade unionist! I love working class people, I just don't like the aspiring working class who think of themselves as middle class just because they have a mortgage and a house with curb appeal.

In my opinion, anyone who's working class and looks down on the unfortunates among us whilst considering themselves middle-class are poseur. I also think that working class folk who vote Tory are subservient to a higher being and it aint God.

I'm sure my words will offend. Just in case they do, Ill say this, If we do not believe in freedom of speech for those we despise we do not believe in it at all.

Well said! great post.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Are you not one of the peons who work for a living then? What a horrible patronising attitude to the working class. What brought this scathing ridicule on? Someone said they don't think 22k a year is a poverty line salary.

Why is it necessary to attack or make nasty remarks to those with a different view?

Laughs. I knew you'd be another person to twist my words and behave all offended!

What was it you just said to TS?

I didn't say any of that. Why is it that you feel it necessary to misrepresent people by projecting some bull you are making up onto them?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Laughs. I knew you'd be another person to twist my words and behave all offended!

What was it you just said to TS?

I'm not behaving offended I'm not twisting what you said. I'm calling what I see and wondering why this is becoming a trend. Is it champion of the people or champion of the peons when it suits?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

My feeling is they are frustrated at the lack of empathy for those on low incomes, that in itself smacks of ridicule when someone living and working in the capital admits they are struggling to manage on what in other parts of the country would seem average.

A little forethought as to what rent, travel costs,utilities, council tax as well grocery shopping amounts to in the capital. Then perhaps reactionary knee jerk responses like that wouldn't be met with as much frustration?

How do you know I have no empathy for people on low income? All I actually said was I don't think 22k after tax is a poverty line salary and I'm a bit sceptical there is a huge queue of Nurses at the food bank. Anything else is fantasy.

How often do you job search? I've been doing a fair bit to help a couple of family members seeking work recently and I can tell you that 28k is a fairly generous salary when compared to what many jobs are offering.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm not behaving offended I'm not twisting what you said. I'm calling what I see and wondering why this is becoming a trend. Is it champion of the people or champion of the peons when it suits?

There you go again. You don't know what I'm saying and you don’t even know that you don’t know.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

There you go again. You don't know what I'm saying and you don’t even know that you don’t know.

I'm starting to see pretty clearly actually.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

How do you know I have no empathy for people on low income? All I actually said was I don't think 22k after tax is a poverty line salary and I'm a bit sceptical there is a huge queue of Nurses at the food bank. Anything else is fantasy.

How often do you job search? I've been doing a fair bit to help a couple of family members seeking work recently and I can tell you that 28k is a fairly generous salary when compared to what many jobs are offering.

Where did I say that you personally have no empathy I was referring to the Mogg interview! Please stop being so reactionary and looking for offence where none is intended, it's getting very boring.

The figure is 22k not 28k :/ Did you not see the portion of my post that made reference to the monthly outgoings in the capital?
It highlights the difficulty managing on what appears to be a adequate wage in London in 2017.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Where did I say that you personally have no empathy I was referring to the Mogg interview! Please stop being so reactionary and looking for offence where none is intended, it's getting very boring.

The figure is 22k not 28k :/ Did you not see the portion of my post that made reference to the monthly outgoings in the capital?
It highlights the difficulty managing on what appears to be a adequate wage in London in 2017.

I think that was aimed at me but I didn't suggest she had no empathy either

As for thinking registered nurses earn a decent salary. I wouldn't consider going to uni for three years for a foundation degree if I wasn't going to be earning substantially more than that when I qualified. One of the reasons we are losing British nurses in droves, either to other employment or hospitals overseas, is because the salaries are crap. Its the same for paramedics. These people are the lifeblood of our NHS and we are stealth taxing them.

Comfortably off is affording the luxury of being self-sufficient whilst still having enough spare cash enjoy yourself.

[Kizzy]

Regardless of what is considered being in 'poverty' that in no way excuses his attitude or comments in regard to the topic anyway it's totally irrelevant in fact.