[Retroman]

Originally posted by KissyLittleMissy
That opinion is very upsetting to believe. i do believe in god and jesus and heaven, i do really want to believe that when i leave this world that there is something better waiting for me. to say what you say is almost blasphomy. maintaining that the bible is possibly written by insane people, you are not a believer i guess? atheist, yes!

i will agree with you that nobody could know for sure because it was so long ago, but peoples faith is genuine through the ages and all those churches standing there and all those people who want to pray and sing hymns there and believe. your words would be blasphemous to many of those believers and it sadly bothers me too

i understand your point about inects plant life not being mentioned when we talk about heaven, god and jesus i dont understand why, i guess there must be a reason? perhaps they just werent important enough to add to the bible. also you cant say that insects and plant life havent the intelligence to knoiw, as none of us know what they think and feel

we cant see radio waves but we can hear the music so we know it is real. true believers of god believe in signs from god and understand completely, if you arer not a believer and feel that atheism is the only way, then let god forgive you for blinding yourself from believing, for many many many people god is evrything and the belief that there is a god makes you whole

heaven and hell is there, it is what i believe and others in their billions believe. for any atheist it is easier to turn away from it than believe in it. just because you cant see it means nothing. nobody can see it because you are alive, when you die you will know and your soul will rise from your dead corpse and then you shall see, as do all the rest of us

We have become so knowledgable about our planet and our universe and what is out there but the unansered question remains, where is heaven and hell? like I said that answer shal await us all at the time of our demise

To try and understand gods ways is not easy for a disbeliever like yourself to understand, i do accept that you have atheist opinions and i shall try and accept that in this discussion, but they dont coincide with mine and i am a believer like i said, so even though i cant really prove anything to you it all comes down to faith and faith is evrything

Lol my statement wasn't to imply the bible could possibly be made by insane people, but more to point out that people/characters who we really didn't know, are to blame for the books presence in our world. And im not sure im willing to trust any faith to the book those men produced.

Blasphemous? it's all well and good claiming im offending your beliefs, but perhaps your views are offending mine?
You can't make out im condeming your religion because I disagree with it, unless you're willing to admit you're condeming my views too.

I told you what I believe, in the same way you told me what you believe...so I don't think we should be dragging blasphemy into the situation. Not unless I told you that you were wrong in what you believe.

As for insects/plants knowing they'll die, they don't have access to thoughts of such a level...plants don't have any "knowing" or "thoughts" at all, and insects aren't much better.

Animals know they'll die to a certain extent, their instinct tells them that if they're injured they may die...but their brains don't tell them that growing old = death. But I suppose you can argue that im not an animal so how should I know? but neither of us are animals, so I guess our views on that are equally pointless lol.

Radio waves are scientifically proven, we know they're there because we can view them through technology.

"If you arer not a believer and feel that atheism is the only way, then let god forgive you for blinding yourself from believing, for many many many people god is evrything and the belief that there is a god makes you whole"

Im sorry but I think that was highly wrong of you to say. You're practically saying that because you believe in god, that means you're 100% right and I [a non believer.] need forgiveness for being blind.

You can't force your beliefs on me like that and tell me I need forgiving, that's not your place to do so sorry.

As for billions, there's only 6 billion people in the world...
Are you telling me billions of those are christians just like you? in todays world? most unlikely. Also, just because many people believe what you believe doesn't mean a thing, just as many people are non religious too =] or believe in different religions to you, so that's irrelevant.


"heaven and hell is there"
This is a debate. If you're wanting to debate, you can't pass off your own beliefs as truth like that...that's not how a debate works. Heaven and hell is there for YOU yes, but not for everyone. So that thought is best left in your head.


"nobody can see it because you are alive, when you die you will know and your soul will rise from your dead corpse and then you shall see, as do all the rest of us"

How do we officially know it's there? if only dead people can see it? that's impossible. Also, what magic rule allows this place to be visible to only dead people? how can that happen? you can't explain it..hence why I don't think it's true.

Have you noticed that everything that exists has an explanation? and all the things that don't exist such as santa/monsters etc have no explanation? and religion has no proper explanation either.


"To try and understand gods ways is not easy for a disbeliever like yourself to understand, i do accept that you have atheist opinions and i shall try and accept that in this discussion,"

So I guess you know gods ways do you? then please tell me his ways and how he works =]

I know fully about gods so called "ways" as all his "ways" are written down for all to see. Unless you're claiming you have had a godly experience where he revealed his ways to you...?
Otherwise you know as much about god as anyone else who can read.