[user104658]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

But zeroed their tar intake... its tar that gives you lung cancer.

Maybe so but it's still not "safe" and is also largely untested in these increased volumes, and that's part of the problem. Nicotine is a drug, it has an effect on the body and mind, it MUST to be chemically addictive. People's nicotine intake for the mostpart has been limited by how much people can physically smoke, and not many people can stomach chain-smoking more than 60 to 80 in a day.

Nicotine intake from vaping is effectively unlimited, and people are back to "the old days" of sitting at their work desk inhaling all day, especially because they think there are no health effects. Yes the cancer risk is (probably) removed or at least seriously lessened but that doesn't mean there won't be other health implications.

The truth is there has been absolutely NO research at all done into the effects of very high nicotine intake daily over the long term. We simply won't know if there are any until 2040 and beyond when people have been vaping for 20+ years. Plus the only sources I've ever seen claiming that there are zero ill health effects originate from vape companies and pro-vape websites which are hardly unbiased sources...

Also as Kizzy has pointed out - there's more in "vape juice" than just the nicotine. It's not literally oil so the "oily lining" isn't likely to happen, I believe the viscosity is down to sugar-based substances, but still... you are inhaling various chemicals several times a day that are supposedly harmless but - again - I very much doubt when they were declared harmless, it was in the context of deliberately heating and inhaling them several times a day over several years...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Maybe so but it's still not "safe" and is also largely untested in these increased volumes, and that's part of the problem. Nicotine is a drug, it has an effect on the body and mind, it MUST to be chemically addictive. People's nicotine intake for the mostpart has been limited by how much people can physically smoke, and not many people can stomach chain-smoking more than 60 to 80 in a day.

Nicotine intake from vaping is effectively unlimited, and people are back to "the old days" of sitting at their work desk inhaling all day, especially because they think there are no health effects. Yes the cancer risk is (probably) removed or at least seriously lessened but that doesn't mean there won't be other health implications.

The truth is there has been absolutely NO research at all done into the effects of very high nicotine intake daily over the long term. We simply won't know if there are any until 2040 and beyond when people have been vaping for 20+ years. Plus the only sources I've ever seen claiming that there are zero ill health effects originate from vape companies and pro-vape websites which are hardly unbiased sources...

Also as Kizzy has pointed out - there's more in "vape juice" than just the nicotine. It's not literally oil so the "oily lining" isn't likely to happen, I believe the viscosity is down to sugar-based substances, but still... you are inhaling various chemicals several times a day that are supposedly harmless but - again - I very much doubt when they were declared harmless, it was in the context of deliberately heating and inhaling them several times a day over several years...

Why not? It's an oil isn't it... there's water and a thickening agent and an emulsifier, otherwise they would separate, that's an oil.

[Cherie]

We will look back on vaping the same way we look back at people smoking around children and at work and using it as a fashion accessory in the 50s. It is untested, my friends son vapes and he didn't even smoke cigarettes, so there is no need for him to be vaping apart from trying to look cool

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

We will look back on vaping the same way we look back at people smoking around children and at work and using it as a fashion accessory in the 50s. It is untested, my friends son vapes and he didn't even smoke cigarettes, so there is no need for him to be vaping apart from trying to look cool

This. And it's undoing all of the work that went into banning the advertisement of cigs, with all these child friendly colours and flavours.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

This. And it's undoing all of the work that went into banning the advertisement of cigs, with all these child friendly colours and flavours.

It gets worse... y'know when they moved most of the post offices into "other stores" as a counter? Well, the one we bank at (work) is right across the street... as of a couple of weeks ago, is a postoffice / vape store??? I tell you, in the good old days ... ... ...

We'll end up like France, where I was once sat in a bar... and suddenly realised that it was a bar, bookies, off-licence and tobacco store all in one . Ew.

Edited to add: They also sold breads and pastries

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It gets worse... y'know when they moved most of the post offices into "other stores" as a counter? Well, the one we bank at (work) is right across the street... as of a couple of weeks ago, is a postoffice / vape store??? I tell you, in the good old days ... ... ...

We'll end up like France, where I was once sat in a bar... and suddenly realised that it was a bar, bookies, off-licence and tobacco store all in one . Ew.

Edited to add: They also sold breads and pastries

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why not? It's an oil isn't it... there's water and a thickening agent and an emulsifier, otherwise they would separate, that's an oil.

Well no, oils by definition are hydrophobic (they don't mix with or dissolve in water), not all viscous fluids are oils. It's more of a "syrup", which does actually make a big difference, as the body SHOULD be able to eventually absorb anything that's water-soluble.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well no, oils by definition are hydrophobic (they don't mix with or dissolve in water), not all viscous fluids are oils. It's more of a "syrup", which does actually make a big difference, as the body SHOULD be able to eventually absorb anything that's water-soluble.

Should that be the case that throws up more worrying potential health implications, if propylene glycol aids absorption what else could be absorbed along with it?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Should that be the case that throws up more worrying potential health implications, if propylene glycol aids absorption what else could be absorbed along with it?

The only answer really is... Maybe nothing, maybe a heap of nasty crap, probably somewhere in between. But I guess that's the real issue... Massive lack of data.