[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Jeez we all know about parental settings Dezzy read what I actually posted why don't you

I did read and respond to your points, but you haven't really responded to what I said, instead you decided to respond with an baiting comment.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I did read and respond to your points, but you haven't really responded to what I said, instead you decided to respond with an baiting comment.

My response is perfectly valid, you refuse to take on board that kids spend time away from their parents, and ergo away from boundaries set by their parents, you also incorrectly assume that every parent has the same boundaries, and that kids do not come into contact with older teenagers, young adults, in your world of perfection there would be no abductions or accidents as parents would have eyes on their kids 24/7, then you claim you know exactly what it is like to be a parent, that's like me saying I know how to perform brain surgery

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

My response is perfectly valid, you refuse to take on board that kids spend time away from their parents, and ergo away from boundaries set by their parents, you also incorrectly assume that every parent has the same boundaries, and that kids do not come into contact with older teenagers, young adults, in your world of perfection there would be no abductions or accidents as parents would have eyes on their kids 24/7, then you claim you know exactly what it is like to be a parent, that's like me saying I know how to perform brain surgery

You made a whole lot of assumptions there and none of them are correct. Try to actually read what I've said and not shove your poorly comprehended assumptions down my throat

If you are going to complain about violent video games, you can't expect the world to change for just for you. If you don't want kids to access violent video games then you have to be pro-active otherwise you have no grounds to complain if your kid plays or watches something you didn't want them to. You want to have your cake and eat it and guess what? You can't.

If you're that concerned about violent video games but not so concerned about who your child might be hanging out with then your priorities seem a bit borked. Your argument works against you, in that regard.

When have I ever mentioned anything about abductions or accidents? I've only ever said that parents shouldn't complain about violent video games if they can't be bothered to even look into something as elementary as parental controls. You have a habit of diving headfirst into the deep end with illogical and bizarre points that don't really relate to the topic when you are on the ropes.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You made a whole lot of assumptions there and none of them are correct. Try to actually read what I've said and not shove your poorly comprehended assumptions down my throat

If you are going to complain about violent video games, you can't expect the world to change for just for you. If you don't want kids to access violent video games then you have to be pro-active otherwise you have no grounds to complain if your kid plays or watches something you didn't want them to. You want to have your cake and eat it and guess what? You can't.

If you're that concerned about violent video games but not so concerned about who your child might be hanging out with then your priorities seem a bit borked. Your argument works against you, in that regard.

When have I ever mentioned anything about abductions or accidents? I've only ever said that parents shouldn't complain about violent video games if they can't be bothered to even look into something as elementary as parental controls. You have a habit of diving headfirst into the deep end with illogical and bizarre points that don't really relate to the topic when you are on the ropes.

Quote:
Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet
every kid has a big brother or a pal that does

ratings are meaningless
Silly Chewy, expecting parents to do some actual parenting.



this is the comment of yours I was referring to as you well know, and your airy fairy Waltons view on parenting, a few months back you suggested I couldn't have an opinion on working in retail as you thought I hadn't worked in a shop, now tune changed you are an expert in parenting without being one.

See TS post above which you failed to comment on though he essentially just said what I did, but maybe he put in a way you found more palatable?



as for who children are hanging out with, are you suggesting Chewy is some delinquent because he played 18 rated video games at 10? His mother felt he was quite capable and bought him the game, maybe he had a friend who wasn't quite so mature but came round his house, that's how kids get access to stuff their parents aren't that keen on, though I guess yours will live in a bubble.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Quote:
Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet
every kid has a big brother or a pal that does

ratings are meaningless
Silly Chewy, expecting parents to do some actual parenting.



this is the comment of yours I was referring to as you well know, and your airy fairy Waltons view on parenting, a few months back you suggested I couldn't have an opinion on working in retail as you thought I hadn't worked in a shop, now tune changed you are an expert in parenting without being one.

See TS post above which you failed to comment on though he essentially just said what I did, but maybe he put in a way you found more palatable?



as for who children are hanging out with, are you suggesting Chewy is some delinquent because he played 18 rated video games at 10? His mother felt he was quite capable and bought him the game, maybe he had a friend who wasn't quite so mature but came round his house, that's how kids get access to stuff their parents aren't that keen on, though I guess yours will live in a bubble.

I stand by my comment, Parental controls are easy and if your children are hanging out at someone else's house and you have a preference of the type of games or things they might play or watch then it's down to you to inform the other child's parents. It's common sense. If you are the kind of parent that doesn't want your child playing or watching things that are meant for a mature audience then you simply can't blame those things for existing, If you don't want your kids to see something then it's down to you to make sure they don't. I'm not sure why you are having so much difficulty with that.

I think it's dumb to shield kids like that, it's better to make sure they can differentiate between the game and reality and understand that violence in real life is not okay. I was always allowed to play and watch what I liked and I (like so many people) never had any problems because I knew it was just a game or a film or whatever.

I remember that thread and I love how you're throwing my comments out of context. I was basically being victim blamed in that thread because I said the customers are not always right and that people who work in retail have to deal with abuse from customers regularly and people were saying that, if I got abused then it was probably my fault as someone who works in retail. I said that you couldn't understand what it's like to work in retail and dealing with abusive customers if you've only ever been a customer. That's a fair comment, I wouldn't presume to tell a builder what it's like to build a house or tell a surgeon how to operate.

Parenting however is not a job and anyone can experience it and you don't have to have your own kids to understand what it's like to be responsible for a child or make suggestions.

Your last point is ridiculous and complete nonsense and it confirms something for me. You don't really know what you are arguing for or against in this thread since your main priority seems to be scoring points against me because you have just completely switched your stance on a dime in order to make one of the biggest reaches I've ever seen to suggest that I'm insulting Chewy when that's blatant to everyone that i'm not. Go back and read my posts PROPERLY and you'll see that I'm in agreement with Chewy. The 'bubble' comment is proof that you haven't really read or understood anything I've said since you think I'm endorsing strict observation over children when I'm not. Like I've said a few times, you can't blame something for existing if you don't want your children to see it but aren't willing to use the tools at your command to stop them. It's an easy enough point, or it would be if you actually read posts properly.

Step away from your device, take a breather. Go form an actual opinion on the matter that isn't 'I hate Dezzy so I'll oppose him on everything whether it makes sense or not'. it's apparent that your input in this thread is purely reactionary to me rather than you having any interest or an opinion about the subject matter since you actually haven't shared an opinion on it at all. Your first post was in support of jibes made be Sheriff towards me and every post sicne has been in response to me.

Do you actually have an opinion on the subject matter?

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I stand by my comment, Parental controls are easy and if your children are hanging out at someone else's house and you have a preference of the type of games or things they might play or watch then it's down to you to inform the other child's parents. It's common sense. If you are the kind of parent that doesn't want your child playing or watching things that are meant for a mature audience then you simply can't blame those things for existing, If you don't want your kids to see something then it's down to you to make sure they don't. I'm not sure why you are having so much difficulty with that.

I think it's dumb to shield kids like that, it's better to make sure they can differentiate between the game and reality and understand that violence in real life is not okay. I was always allowed to play and watch what I liked and I (like so many people) never had any problems because I knew it was just a game or a film or whatever.

I remember that thread and I love how you're throwing my comments out of context. I was basically being victim blamed in that thread because I said the customers are not always right and that people who work in retail have to deal with abuse from customers regularly and people were saying that, if I got abused then it was probably my fault as someone who works in retail. I said that you couldn't understand what it's like to work in retail and dealing with abusive customers if you've only ever been a customer. That's a fair comment, I wouldn't presume to tell a builder what it's like to build a house or tell a surgeon how to operate.

Parenting however is not a job and anyone can experience it and you don't have to have your own kids to understand what it's like to be responsible for a child or make suggestions.

Your last point is ridiculous and complete nonsense and it confirms something for me. You don't really know what you are arguing for or against in this thread since your main priority seems to be scoring points against me because you have just completely switched your stance on a dime in order to make one of the biggest reaches I've ever seen to suggest that I'm insulting Chewy when that's blatant to everyone that i'm not. Go back and read my posts PROPERLY and you'll see that I'm in agreement with Chewy. The 'bubble' comment is proof that you haven't really read or understood anything I've said since you think I'm endorsing strict observation over children when I'm not. Like I've said a few times, you can't blame something for existing if you don't want your children to see it but aren't willing to use the tools at your command to stop them. It's an easy enough point, or it would be if you actually read posts properly.

Step away from your device, take a breather. Go form an actual opinion on the matter that isn't 'I hate Dezzy so I'll oppose him on everything whether it makes sense or not'. it's apparent that your input in this thread is purely reactionary to me rather than you having any interest or an opinion about the subject matter since you actually haven't shared an opinion on it at all. Your first post was in support of jibes made be Sheriff towards me and every post sicne has been in response to me.

Do you actually have an opinion on the subject matter?

Yep when all else fails resort to insults and telling me to go away..standard from you. I haven't insulted you in this thread I have responded to your comments as has TS but you haven't taken issue with him, yet I have the problem with you? In the main I ignore you tbf

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yep when all else fails resort to insults and telling me to go away..standard from you. I haven't insulted you in this thread I have responded to your comments as has TS but you haven't taken issue with him, yet I have the problem with you? In the main I ignore you tbf

So you've ignored the vast majority of my post then. Okay, you have no interest in a discussion and I won't rise to your trolling.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I stand by my comment, Parental controls are easy and if your children are hanging out at someone else's house and you have a preference of the type of games or things they might play or watch then it's down to you to inform the other child's parents. It's common sense. If you are the kind of parent that doesn't want your child playing or watching things that are meant for a mature audience then you simply can't blame those things for existing, If you don't want your kids to see something then it's down to you to make sure they don't.

See... I agree and disagree really. I disagree in that, it doesn't work like that. Parental controls are BS for the mostpart - kids are tech savvy by 8 these days - it's like filling a room with toys and putting a knee high barrier that says "DON'T GO IN HERE!" in front of it. Secondly, when kids are out of the house you can't control what they're going to see no matter how many conversations you have with other kids parents, etc... it's just not how it works... my opinion is sort of more along the lines of "if you don't want your kids to see this stuff and still live a full social existence, tough ****, they're gonna see it."

You either accept that kids are going to see stuff not intended for kids... or you lock them in a room wrapped in cotton wool. It's that simple, there's no inbetween . However that's where...

I think it's dumb to shield kids like that, it's better to make sure they can differentiate between the game and reality and understand that violence in real life is not okay. I was always allowed to play and watch what I liked and I (like so many people) never had any problems because I knew it was just a game or a film or whatever.

This part comes in, which I totally agree with. You can't go around dictating what's "allowed to exist" because of what your kids might see. You have to accept that they will, and gear yourself towards helping them to understand and put these things in context. In my opinion, it's the kids who are sheltered from these things only to naturally encounter them as teenagers / young adults who struggle MORE to separate entertainment from reality.

So yeah. I disagree that it's even possible for, let alone the responsibility of, a parent to fully shelter a child from these things no matter how much they might want to. It can't be done. But at the same time, I don't think that means the world needs to shift or "censor itself" to fit around kids. They're going to see it. Parent's job is simply to guide them through understanding and contextualizing what they're seeing .


I mean let's face it, kids are ****ing bizarre anyway. My daughter has no problem with horror films, GTA, Resident Evil etc... she dressed up as a corpse bride for Halloween that was genuinely scary (she won the costume competition ) ... but she is absolutely TERRIFIED of the Minecraft skeletons. Terrified. Like screeching, tears, full on panicked terror.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

See... I agree and disagree really. I disagree in that, it doesn't work like that. Parental controls are BS for the mostpart - kids are tech savvy by 8 these days - it's like filling a room with toys and putting a knee high barrier that says "DON'T GO IN HERE!" in front of it. Secondly, when kids are out of the house you can't control what they're going to see no matter how many conversations you have with other kids parents, etc... it's just not how it works... my opinion is sort of more along the lines of "if you don't want your kids to see this stuff and still live a full social existence, tough ****, they're gonna see it."

You either accept that kids are going to see stuff not intended for kids... or you lock them in a room wrapped in cotton wool. It's that simple, there's no inbetween . However that's where...



This part comes in, which I totally agree with. You can't go around dictating what's "allowed to exist" because of what your kids might see. You have to accept that they will, and gear yourself towards helping them to understand and put these things in context. In my opinion, it's the kids who are sheltered from these things only to naturally encounter them as teenagers / young adults who struggle MORE to separate entertainment from reality.

So yeah. I disagree that it's even possible for, let alone the responsibility of, a parent to fully shelter a child from these things no matter how much they might want to. It can't be done. But at the same time, I don't think that means the world needs to shift or "censor itself" to fit around kids. They're going to see it. Parent's job is simply to guide them through understanding and contextualizing what they're seeing .


I mean let's face it, kids are ****ing bizarre anyway. My daughter has no problem with horror films, GTA, Resident Evil etc... she dressed up as a corpse bride for Halloween that was genuinely scary (she won the costume competition ) ... but she is absolutely TERRIFIED of the Minecraft skeletons. Terrified. Like screeching, tears, full on panicked terror.

My point about parents was always aimed at the Mary Whitehouses and Helen Lovejoys of the world who think that everything and everyone should revolve and bend to the whims and needs of their child. The kinds of people that would complain to ofcom about a TV show instead of flicking over the channel and watching something else.

I don't think all parents should be responsible for shielding their children, like I said before, providing the child with the correct context is far more important. I just think that (like I also said before) the Marys and the Helens of parenting should take that responsibility of shielding their own kids since they tend to believe the world should change for their benefit. The world won't change for anyone and most parents understand that but I'd rather busybody parents take responsibility for their own methods of parenting rather than trying to force child friendliness upon the world.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Quote:
Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet
every kid has a big brother or a pal that does

ratings are meaningless
Silly Chewy, expecting parents to do some actual parenting.



this is the comment of yours I was referring to as you well know, and your airy fairy Waltons view on parenting, a few months back you suggested I couldn't have an opinion on working in retail as you thought I hadn't worked in a shop, now tune changed you are an expert in parenting without being one.

See TS post above which you failed to comment on though he essentially just said what I did, but maybe he put in a way you found more palatable?



as for who children are hanging out with, are you suggesting Chewy is some delinquent because he played 18 rated video games at 10? His mother felt he was quite capable and bought him the game, maybe he had a friend who wasn't quite so mature but came round his house, that's how kids get access to stuff their parents aren't that keen on, though I guess yours will live in a bubble.

I agree. Someone can’t accuse others of not understanding something because they haven’t done it, then do the self-same thing when it suits. Looking after a child for a brief period can hardly be compared to full-time parenting. Usual double standards from some.

Being a parent is more important than a retail job as parents are responsible for helping to create a well-balanced and grounded person into society. It’s pretty much a lifetime responsibility. You can never really retire. You always can get another job.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I agree. Someone can’t accuse others of not understanding something because they haven’t done it, then do the self-same thing when it suits. Looking after a child for a brief period can hardly be compared to full-time parenting. Usual double standards from some.

Being a parent is more important than a retail job as parents are responsible for helping to create a well-balanced and grounded person into society. It’s pretty much a lifetime responsibility. You can never really retire. You always can get another job.

Nothing to add to the discussion, then?