[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I have never said that people should be able to say anything they want, and that works both ways, but people should be able to express views and opinions in a reasonable way on issues that affect everyone, however much some don’t like it, and without having to put up with constant character assassination because of it. It is childish and controlling and in the grown-up world should never work that way.

That's the thing though Brillo... There ARE people who express views, opinions and concerns on these issues in a reasonable way, but you generally aren't one of them. But I genuinely don't think you'll ever see that.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That's the thing though Brillo... There ARE people who express views, opinions and concerns on these issues in a reasonable way, but you generally aren't one of them. But I genuinely don't think you'll ever see that.

I think Brillo expresses herself very well.

If you genuinely believe Brillo is racist, what do you hope to achieve by coming into all her threads and belittling her, making fun or her threads and saying things like imo YOU ARE A MASSIVE racist. etc.

If you genuinely cared about racism and wanted to help to reduce it where you could surely the way to deal with what you perceive as racism is by considerate, patient and helpful dialogue which over time may cause the person to think twice about their views? You can't beat racism out of someone with a sledgehammer. (NOT, I repeat, that I think Brillo is racist.)

You have repeatedly said you will continue to come into Brillo's threads and shout loud and clear every time you perceive racism to be evident. It seems to me that taking that approach is for your own amusement rather than a desire to further the cause of reducing what you perceive as racism by intelligent and thoughtful dialogue, which you are good at when you don't include the snide remarks, cheap shots and crying 'racist' for the 100th time.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

I think Brillo expresses herself very well.

If you genuinely believe Brillo is racist, what do you hope to achieve by coming into all her threads and belittling her, making fun or her threads and saying things like imo YOU ARE A MASSIVE racist. etc.

If you genuinely cared about racism and wanted to help to reduce it where you could surely the way to deal with what you perceive as racism is by considerate, patient and helpful dialogue which over time may cause the person to think twice about their views? You can't beat racism out of someone with a sledgehammer. (NOT, I repeat, that I think Brillo is racist.)

You have repeatedly said you will continue to come into Brillo's threads and shout loud and clear every time you perceive racism to be evident. It seems to me that taking that approach is for your own amusement rather than a desire to further the cause of reducing what you perceive as racism by intelligent and thoughtful dialogue, which you are good at when you don't include the snide remarks, cheap shots and crying 'racist' for the 100th time.

Except that is never what happens. Generally, in the past, people come in and try to do exactly what you have said, only to be responded to with "Oh here comes the PC brigade! PC gone mad! Snowflakes!"... from those who would accuse others of "shutting down their views" in petty ways

But by all means, carry on pretending like you haven't seen that happening. I understand the compulsion to support the underdog. It's a bit disingenuous but I fully understand that you feel bad for Brillo, and even why.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Except that is never what happens. Generally, in the past, people come in and try to do exactly what you have said, only to be responded to with "Oh here comes the PC brigade! PC gone mad! Snowflakes!"... from those who would accuse others of "shutting down their views" in petty ways

But by all means, carry on pretending like you haven't seen that happening. I understand the compulsion to support the underdog. It's a bit disingenuous but I fully understand that you feel bad for Brillo, and even why.

Come off it. How many threads of Brillo's did you get shut down in the past or derailed by coming in and slinging insults and belittling her? That type of behaviour (and not just by you of course, but frequently by you) was far more prevalent than any snowflake remarks.

But of course you insist Brillo is racist and she just doesn't realise it, according to you. And according to you, you understand that I feel bad for her and even why. You insist that you know what people are thinking and feeling better than they know themselves. Such arrogance.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

Come off it. How many threads of Brillo's did you get shut down in the past or derailed by coming in and slinging insults and belittling her? That type of behaviour (and not just by you of course, but frequently by you) was far more prevalent than any snowflake remarks.

But of course you insist Brillo is racist and she just doesn't realise it, according to you. And according to you, you understand that I feel bad for her and even why. You insist that you know what people are thinking and feeling better than they know themselves. Such arrogance.

Considering that the options are that she says racist things and doesn't realise it, or that she says racist things and DOES realise it, I'm actually assuming the best by suggesting that she doesn't. I'd also like to know which insults I've supposedly slung other than stating my opinion that the posts are racist in content... because I'm pretty sure there are none. So we're back to it just being that no one is "allowed to" say that they find a post / post-er to be racist. Why? Why is that opinion invalid? Is it always invalid? Is no one EVER allowed to find ANYTHING to be racist? I'm pretty sure that's the answer that's being driven for here and it's just ****ing nonsense.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Considering that the options are that she says racist things and doesn't realise it, or that she says racist things and DOES realise it, I'm actually assuming the best by suggesting that she doesn't. I'd also like to know which insults I've supposedly slung other than stating my opinion that the posts are racist in content... because I'm pretty sure there are none. So we're back to it just being that no one is "allowed to" say that they find a post / post-er to be racist. Why? Why is that opinion invalid? Is it always invalid? Is no one EVER allowed to find ANYTHING to be racist? I'm pretty sure that's the answer that's being driven for here and it's just ****ing nonsense.

You don't recall getting threads of Brillo's closed or derailed by coming in and mocking them in the past? Okay then.

It's your perception that she says racist things, so you don't get to decide that she is and doesn't realise it. What matters is what she knows is in her own heart and mind.
Just because someone is against mass emigration and certain religious practises doesn't automatically make them a racist. Someone would have to make a very strong insult or definite statement against another race for me to go down the road of calling them a racist, mainly because I think the word is slung about far too often nowadays. It is belittling and diluting what real racism is.

People can have some negative views of certain aspects of other people, of other religions, of other races. It's allowed, it's called individuality, it isn't horrible and it isn't unusual. Different stokes for different folks. It's human. I wonder what they say about us...hmmm...lol
I personally am strongly against racism, and I honestly don't see Brillo, or anyone else on this forum as truly racist.

Now, if they spew venom, incite violence, hurt, kill or maim in the name of their views, that's a whole different thing.

Pertaining to religions - what do you think of the way the Christian religion and a belief in God is mocked and thought of as hilariously stupid by many on this forum? I don't recall you having a problem with that or have I missed it?
Brillo doesn't mock, she states her views in a respectful way and therefore deserves respectful dialogue in return, even if those views are not to someones liking.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by jet

You don't recall getting threads of Brillo's closed or derailed by coming in and mocking them in the past? Okay then.

It's your perception that she says racist things, so you don't get to decide that she is and doesn't realise it. What matters is what she knows is in her own heart and mind.
Just because someone is against mass emigration and certain religious practises doesn't automatically make them a racist. Someone would have to make a very strong insult or definite statement against another race for me to go down the road of calling them a racist, mainly because I think the word is slung about far too often nowadays. It is belittling and diluting what real racism is.

People can have some negative views of certain aspects of other people, of other religions, of other races. It's allowed, it's called individuality, it isn't horrible and it isn't unusual. Different stokes for different folks. It's human. I wonder what they say about us...hmmm...lol
I personally am strongly against racism, and I honestly don't see Brillo, or anyone else on this forum as truly racist.

Now, if they spew venom, incite violence, hurt, kill or maim in the name of their views, that's a whole different thing.

Pertaining to religions - what do you think of the way the Christian religion and a belief in God is mocked and thought of as hilariously stupid by many on this forum? I don't recall you having a problem with that or have I missed it?
Brillo doesn't mock, she states her views in a respectful way and therefore deserves respectful dialogue in return, even if those views are not to someones liking.

Jet you are a tonic and just what the forum needs, reasoned articulate reposts and I agree with every word

[jaxie]

[QUOTE=Toy Soldier;9684285]Considering that the options are that she says racist things and doesn't realise it, or that she says racist things and DOES realise it, I'm actually assuming the best by suggesting that she doesn't. I'd also like to know which insults I've supposedly slung other than stating my opinion that the posts are racist in content... because I'm pretty sure there are none. So we're back to it just being that no one is "allowed to" say that they find a post / post-er to be racist. Why? Why is that opinion invalid? Is it always invalid? Is no one EVER allowed to find ANYTHING to be racist? I'm pretty sure that's the answer that's being driven for here and it's just ****ing nonsense.[/QUOTE

But Brillo isn't the only member you pick on like the local bully. Who are you to decide who is racist, or Tory or whatever? There is a huge difference between disagreement and mocking and belittling people.

[jet]

[QUOTE=jaxie;9684473]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Considering that the options are that she says racist things and doesn't realise it, or that she says racist things and DOES realise it, I'm actually assuming the best by suggesting that she doesn't. I'd also like to know which insults I've supposedly slung other than stating my opinion that the posts are racist in content... because I'm pretty sure there are none. So we're back to it just being that no one is "allowed to" say that they find a post / post-er to be racist. Why? Why is that opinion invalid? Is it always invalid? Is no one EVER allowed to find ANYTHING to be racist? I'm pretty sure that's the answer that's being driven for here and it's just ****ing nonsense.[/QUOTE

But Brillo isn't the only member you pick on like the local bully. Who are you to decide who is racist, or Tory or whatever? There is a huge difference between disagreement and mocking and belittling people.

Yes, that is at the heart of what goes wrong on parts of this forum.
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