[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

You realise, the public includes males who would see no issue with this? And may actually find it funny to have a male in such a position.

I didnt know he was elected actually. But even so, he should not be up for the position to start with. IMO

I disagree that men are far more accepting about transpeople than women, and to the extend that womens voices in this election wouldn't have been heard. I don't actually know any stats on that tbh so I'm open to being proved wrong, but just from personal experience and people I've known I've found women to be generally more accepting of trans people than men. It would be interesting to know the ratio of men to women that voted for Lily in this election. I also doubt that enough voters would cast their vote out of humour to make any impact. You're not really giving credit to people's ability to make an informed decision, what do we know about Lily's qualifications? What do we know about her competence within the role? Aren't these important factors?

Also Vicky i totally get your opinions on pronoun usage etc when it comes to trans people but the thread title does make this discussion really confusing, a lot of people won't read all the posts and links etc.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I disagree that men are far more accepting about transpeople than women, and to the extend that womens voices in this election wouldn't have been heard. I don't actually know any stats on that tbh so I'm open to being proved wrong, but just from personal experience and people I've known I've found women to be generally more accepting of trans people than men. It would be interesting to know the ratio of men to women that voted for Lily in this election. I also doubt that enough voters would cast their vote out of humour to make any impact. You're not really giving credit to people's ability to make an informed decision, what do we know about Lily's qualifications? What do we know about her competence within the role? Aren't these important factors?

Also Vicky i totally get your opinions on pronoun usage etc when it comes to trans people but the thread title does make this discussion really confusing, a lot of people won't read all the posts and links etc.

We know that he thinks biology is irrelevant tbh. We also know he counts male people as women given his emphasis on 'transwomen'. Thats enough to say he is not qualified for the role. Its like appointing someone into a position about gay rights, and them immediately saying that sexuality is irrelevant and straight people have problems too. Its nonsense.

I dont see how me referring to this person as he makes the thread confusing? I said in the title this is a male person. He is a male person.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

We know that he thinks biology is irrelevant tbh. We also know he counts male people as women given his emphasis on 'transwomen'. Thats enough to say he is not qualified for the role. Its like appointing someone into a position about gay rights, and them immediately saying that sexuality is irrelevant and straight people have problems too. Its nonsense.

I dont see how me referring to this person as he makes the thread confusing? I said in the title this is a male person. He is a male person.

She seems to believe that gender identity isn't determined by biological sex, but looking at the role description of the Womens Officer I fail to see how that belief would conflict with her carrying out the role, regardless of if you agree with that belief? It seems to be more about engaging with and recruiting women into the party rather than working on womens rights?

I got it from here...

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.ne...pdf?1445544799

I just think that she must have had some sort of manifesto or something that people voted based on and isn't her competance in the role the most important thing, and surely if this role is about the person connecting with the public then having someone democratically elected by them is the best way? Yes men will have been able to vote as well but without knowing voter stats it's impossible to say that the women who voted in this constituency wouldn't have wanted Lily for the role.

The pronoun thing, I was confused myself at first because I didn't realise the issue was that it was a transgender person, which is obviously what sparked the debate, like I said I get your stance on it and wanting to refer to her as him and I wasn't wanting to get into a debate about that, I just thought that if I was confused, maybe other people might be confused, maybe clarity about what the actual issue is would be helpful, that's all. Or maybe it was just me that was confused for not reading it fully at first lol.