[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm sorry but that's rubbish, are you suggesting that public sector workers including our first responders spend the work day resting on their laurels?
Whether public or private there are grievance procedures,

For gods sake don't make it a left v right issue I didn't suggest things were rosy during the blair/brown years but the last 7yrs of austerity have hardened some up to the point where when it's known that policies are going to inflict hardship the response is a resounding 'meh'.

It is shocking that expecting a 3rd rate shoddy service is the norm, and even more shocking that it's taken as a forgone conclusion that people have no passion for their profession.

I am talking about office management/staff who would be those responsible for ensuring that this was rolled out correctly, as usual you move the goalposts to encompass the whole of the civil service who would have nothing whatsoever to do with it, whats new?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I am talking about office management/staff who would be those responsible for ensuring that this was rolled out correctly, as usual you move the goalposts to encompass the whole of the civil service who would have nothing whatsoever to do with it, whats new?

The 6 week wait was an official thing built into the transition, though, it wasn't down to staff operating slowly or not as intended. The .gov website about Universal Credit explicitly stated that for those transitioning, there was a 6 week wait between tax credits / housing allowance ending, and UC beginning. By design. The advice was along the lines of "So you will need to consider how you will manage this". Literally as blunt as that, a big ol' "tough **** lol".

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The 6 week wait was an official thing built into the transition, though, it wasn't down to staff operating slowly or not as intended. The .gov website about Universal Credit explicitly stated that for those transitioning, there was a 6 week wait between tax credits / housing allowance ending, and UC beginning. By design. The advice was along the lines of "So you will need to consider how you will manage this". Literally as blunt as that, a big ol' "tough **** lol".

And before it reached the website no doubt there were countless breakfast meetings with croissants and coffee deliberating about how quickly it could be done, unless they just pulled 6 weeks out of their ass

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I am talking about office management/staff who would be those responsible for ensuring that this was rolled out correctly, as usual you move the goalposts to encompass the whole of the civil service who would have nothing whatsoever to do with it, whats new?

'is anything seamless these days, a lot of people don't give a rats ass about their job and even less so in the public sector, they get paid either way so..'

How am I to surmise that from your usual glib statement?

The govt make the decision on waiting times for rollout, as well as the timescale between sign up and payment.. How can you suggest that is an office management cock up?

Do you actually think it's some joe down the job centre deciding who get's their money, and when?...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'is anything seamless these days, a lot of people don't give a rats ass about their job and even less so in the public sector, they get paid either way so..'

How am I to surmise that from your usual glib statement?

The govt make the decision on waiting times for rollout, as well as the timescale between sign up and payment.. How can you suggest that is an office management cock up?

Do you actually think it's some joe down the job centre deciding who get's their money, and when?...

The clue is in the thread title

The government will have taken advice on how long it would take to process app,ications from further down the line, they will have been advised unless you are suggesting they know how to do everyone's job

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The clue is in the thread title

The government will have taken advice on how long it would take to process app,ications from further down the line, they will have been advised unless you are suggesting they know how to do everyone's job

Isn't that what impact assessments do?
Are you just suggesting they said to joe down the job centre . 'so joe how long you reckon for this ol malarky then'? ' Oh... er, I dunno 6 weeksish?' ' ok, sounds about right, thanks joe!'....
No, I very much doubt that's how it is Cherie.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Isn't that what impact assessments do?
Are you just suggesting they said to joe down the job centre . 'so joe how long you reckon for this ol malarky then'? ' Oh... er, I dunno 6 weeksish?' ' ok, sounds about right, thanks joe!'....
No, I very much doubt that's how it is Cherie.

I didn't say that, and it's pretty pointless for me to break everything I say into bite size chunks so you can process it

How does it work then Kizzy, in any job is the guy or gal sitting in the top office taking decisions completely autonomously with no consultation?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I didn't say that, and it's pretty pointless for me to break everything I say into bite size chunks so you can process it

How does it work then Kizzy, in any job is the guy or gal sitting in the top office taking decisions completely autonomously with no consultation?

You don't have to, your simplistic reasoning that it's the benefit advisers that make decisions regarding rollout of a 6 in one benefit reform is pretty obvious as well as laughable.
How then if they deemed it impossible to process claims in less than 6 weeks it's now 5? Or the 2 week housing benefit run on, who advised that?

'I am talking about office management/staff who would be those responsible for ensuring that this was rolled out correctly,'

Here you are attempting to absolve ministers from blame for the implementation of the 6 week wait, which is not the result of any errors from office staff but as said the stated timeframe as quoted between application for UC and payment.
Why are you removing the blame from those who actually implement the policy?

If there was consultation with anyone with experience of any of the 6 benefits affected they would have known that a six week gap in payments would lead to serious hardship as well as rent arrears, a total lack of any forethought , consultation or impact assessment is obvious.
If they couldn't see that then a huge salary for being a welfare minister is wasted being so out of touch with the needs of the section of society they are tasked to represent.

[michael21]

Tomorrow is a day long protest about uc all over the UK

Hope the news channel are there