[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

It has nothing to do with defensiveness and everything to do with trying to have an open discussion free from snideness and personal prejudice... Because some people actually want to use this forum for debate and discussion, and not for blinkered campaigning and soapboxing.

You think admitting its mainly men who do this is blinkered campaigning and soapboxing? Really?

I would say the debate and discussion on this topic should really be WHY is it mainly men who do this. You said just before it might have something to do with strength and such. Well yes it might, thats probably a part of it, because men CAN just do what they like to women. I doubt thats the only reason though.

If there was a changearound tomorrow and suddenly women were stronger than men, I really do not think we would suddenly have a switcharound in offending rates and suddenly women would be sexually assaulting men in droves. I don't think its solely down to strength.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

You think admitting its mainly men who do this is blinkered campaigning and soapboxing? Really?

No, and I haven't denied that it's men who do this more than women (when it comes to actual violent assault and rape) - I do deny that it's "rare" for women to do more minor things like catcalling and groping in bars / clubs. No one has tried to suggest that it is equal or anywhere near equal when it comes serious assault.

Overall this comment was directed at Kizzy because she's doing it in every thread. Buzzwords, mantras, slogans and gifs. Soapboxing with absolutely no intention of having a debate or discussion. Just the flipside of ... Certain other posters.

I would say the debate and discussion on this topic should really be WHY is it mainly men who do this.

Thats exactly what I have been doing

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

No, and I haven't denied that it's men who do this more than women (when it comes to actual violent assault and rape) - I do deny that it's "rare" for women to do more minor things like catcalling and groping in bars / clubs. No one has tried to suggest that it is equal or anywhere near equal when it comes serious assault.

Overall this comment was directed at Kizzy because she's doing it in every thread. Buzzwords, mantras, slogans and gifs. Soapboxing with absolutely no intention of having a debate or discussion. Just the flipside of ... Certain other posters.



Thats exactly what I have been doing

What buzzwords, mantras or slogans have I used?...
Could I have an example of my 'soapboxing' please?

This is all brand new information, I had no idea you were building this catalogue of resentment towards me :/

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Christmas treeza

What buzzwords, mantras or slogans have I used?...
Could I have an example of my 'soapboxing' please?

This is all brand new information, I had no idea you were building this catalogue of resentment towards me :/

I don't need to find specific examples Kizzy, you don't discuss anything, you announce your opinions with no intent to actually discuss them. Soapboxing.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

I don't need to find specific examples Kizzy, you don't discuss anything, you announce your opinions with no intent to actually discuss them. Soapboxing.

So that's a no then... You have nothing except 'I state my opinion'
I do discuss things, you might have not noticed as you usually follow me around saying 'well, no because..' Have a look, you do it often.

I'm glad I've had this opportunity to tell you how wearing it is having someone constantly attempting to undermine my opinion on any given topic.
I hope you appreciate that you can and do come across as mansplaining at times.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Christmas treeza

I hope you appreciate that you can and do come across as mansplaining at times.

Baiting, Kizzy. Better luck next time though.