[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

To simplify this though;

You state an opinion. I state a counter opinion; this is debate and discussion. You now try to shut that counter opinion down by bleating "Mansplaining", in an attempt to negate it and leave only your original opinion.

This is soapboxing.

You don't , you begin with 'no' suggesting I'm in the wrong... have you never noticed that? I'm not getting into any tit for tat argument with you, I had no idea that using that word would unleash a torrent of pent up aggression so best leave it eh?

I note there was no response to your theory that should women suddenly become physically powerful that offences against men would rise, have you no explanation why then that date ape isn't more prevalent this effectively makes the woman stronger doesn't it?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Christmas treeza

You don't , you begin with 'no' suggesting I'm in the wrong... have you never noticed that? I'm not getting into any tit for tat argument with you, I had no idea that using that word would unleash a torrent of pent up aggression so best leave it eh?

What are you even talking about? Do you start a counter opinion by saying "you're totally right!" and then saying something that contradicts it? If you have a counter opinion to someone then of course you believe them to be in the wrong. The alternative is agreement. How bizarre.

I note there was no response to your theory that should women suddenly become physically powerful that offences against men would rise, have you no explanation why then that date ape isn't more prevalent this effectively makes the woman stronger doesn't it?

No, it doesn't, it makes the woman exactly the same size and strength as before while the man remains stronger and heavier but incapacitated by drugs. I don't know if this is just down to you not actually understanding how date rape drugs work. They DON'T render the victim entirely unconscious, the man is still larger and heavier, and even if they did, how exactly would the woman heave the larger male away to assault him? Its simply not practical and the man being targeted is still a physical threat to the attacking woman. But I wouldn't want to Mansplain the effects of rohypnol to you.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

What are you even talking about? Do you start a counter opinion by saying "you're totally right!" and then saying something that contradicts it? If you have a counter opinion to someone then of course you believe them to be in the wrong. The alternative is agreement. How bizarre.



No, it doesn't, it makes the woman exactly the same size and strength as before while the man remains stronger and heavier but incapacitated by drugs. I don't know if this is just down to you not actually understanding how date rape drugs work. They DON'T render the victim entirely unconscious, the man is still larger and heavier, and even if they did, how exactly would the woman heave the larger male away to assault him? Its simply not practical and the man being targeted is still a physical threat to the attacking woman. But I wouldn't want to Mansplain the effects of rohypnol to you.

You counter an argument, you can't counter an opinion.... That's where you're going wrong if you feel you can change someones opinion simply by stating yours.

Do you think that once drugged women are firemen lifted off the street? ... Also I thought the point you made was purely based on physical strength as a factor, once drugged people are led away...why are we not hearing of women leading men away?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Christmas treeza

You counter an argument, you can't counter an opinion....

You can have an opinion that is the exact opposite of someone else's opinion and therefore believe that opinion to be wrong. You seem quite happy to say that, for example, the opinion that all Muslims should be deported is wrong? Wrong in this context simply meaning "something that you consider morally incorrect". An opinion can also be wrong if it is objectively and statistically incorrect,u usually when someone is claiming that their opinion is fact. Are you sure I haven't been challenging your "facts", rather than your opinions?

That's where you're going wrong if you feel you can change someones opinion simply by stating yours.

Oh. Well I'm not trying to change anyones opinion. But thanks for womansplaining where I'm going wrong to me.

Do you think that once drugged women are firemen lifted off the street? ... Also I thought the point you made was purely based on physical strength as a factor, once drugged people are led away...why are we not hearing of women leading men away?

No I am aware that drugged women are still semi conscious, which is entirely my point, incase you missed it. It's not feasible for a woman to drug and attack a larger, stronger male because - drugged or not - if that male resists or fights back (which drugged women can and do) then the woman who has drugged him is still at a physical disadvantage and probably putting themselves at very real physical risk... As once drugged the person defending the self isn't in full control.

Hiwever I accept that it's much easier to believe that it's simply because "women are nicer and don't want to do such bad things". The sad truth is that a lot of people are trash, and it's not gender specific at all.

[Vicky.]

I don't think anyone posts on here to change others opinions. Indeed most peoples opinions are set in stone anyway. I change opinion occasionally based on something that is brought to my attention, for example I was fully supportive of the 'trans' agenda until I read/thought a little deeper into it and actually listened to lesbians I know who told me what is happening to them regularly, and also listened to transsexual people and how they are treat by the 'transgender' community. I also used to be fully for banning the burkha, and it was people on here that changed my opinion on that too. But usually..I am fairly stubborn. And most people are

I see nothing at all wrong with challenging someones opinion. If this did not happen, this section would not exist at all!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

You can have an opinion that is the exact opposite of someone else's opinion and therefore believe that opinion to be wrong. You seem quite happy to say that, for example, the opinion that all Muslims should be deported is wrong? Wrong in this context simply meaning "something that you consider morally incorrect". An opinion can also be wrong if it is objectively and statistically incorrect,u usually when someone is claiming that their opinion is fact. Are you sure I haven't been challenging your "facts", rather than your opinions?






No I am aware that drugged women are still semi conscious, which is entirely my point, incase you missed it. It's not feasible for a woman to drug and attack a larger, stronger male because - drugged or not - if that male resists or fights back (which drugged women can and do) then the woman who has drugged him is still at a physical disadvantage and probably putting themselves at very real physical risk... As once drugged the person defending the self isn't in full control.

Hiwever I accept that it's much easier to believe that it's simply because "women are nicer and don't want to do such bad things". The sad truth is that a lot of people are trash, and it's not gender specific at all.

I truly believe that you believe that there aren't more attacks on men by women purely because they aren't strong enough to carry them out... I don't agree you understand but I respect your opinion.

You might believe someones opinion is wrong, throwing all kinds of hypotheticals in the mix to muddy the waters isn't helpful.

What exactly is it you're accusing me of here, I haven't stated anything as fact have I?