[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Of course there are genuine transsexuals (sorry I refuse to use transgender, given how near every person on earth comes under the 'umbrella' and that I don't think anyone who does not have sex dysphoria is 'trans') and these people need support and understanding. I just feel there is a huge social contagion going on right now. And that giving kids 'puberty blockers' is really really wrong. As is basically telling children who do not conform to sex stereotypes that this means they actually are the opposite sex. There is also an extremely homophobic undertone to it all. That loads of people seem willing to overlook.

I don't think blockers should even be legal, tbh. I don't know how they are, especially given how little research has gone into it all...and I especially do not see how groups such as mermaids are allowed to keep peddling this lie that they are harmless and its just 'to give people time' and they are fully revesrible. When all evidence shows that its NOT to give people time at all as once on them, noone changes their minds. When not on them, the majority change their minds. They are reversible in theory, but clearly not in practice

I don't think blockers should be legal either. Initially they sounded like a good thing but I did read your links and I'm with you on this.
I'm not sure about the homophobic undertone, can you explain that a bit more? Oh hang on, I think the penny just dropped! You mean, a trans man (for example) doesn't feel he's a lesbian when he dates women?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I don't think blockers should be legal either. Initially they sounded like a good thing but I did read your links and I'm with you on this.
I'm not sure about the homophobic undertone, can you explain that a bit more? Oh hang on, I think the penny just dropped! You mean, a trans man (for example) doesn't feel he's a lesbian when he dates women?

You know how if no blockers are used, then 80-95% of gender questioning kids 'grow out of it'? Well the majority of those who grow out of it turn out to be gay. So the rush to use blockers is homophobic, in that its basically gay eugenics.

Also yes, internalized homophobia in transmen who are simply lesbian but feel more accepted as a straight man.

And also (a huge issue at the moment) the amount of 'lesbian' 'transwomen'. Straight males (with intact penises) who say they are lesbians. And yell 'transphobe' at any lesbian who says they don't shag male people. I actually thought this was just an internet phenomenon until I 'came out' as gender critical to friends...and every one of my lesbian friends said they had came up against this in real life, in the past year or so. Never before this, but very often recently.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

You know how if no blockers are used, then 80-95% of gender questioning kids 'grow out of it'? Well the majority of those who grow out of it turn out to be gay. So the rush to use blockers is homophobic, in that its basically gay eugenics.

Also yes, internalized homophobia in transmen who are simply lesbian but feel more accepted as a straight man.

And also (a huge issue at the moment) the amount of 'lesbian' 'transwomen'. Straight males (with intact penises) who say they are lesbians. And yell 'transphobe' at any lesbian who says they don't shag male people. I actually thought this was just an internet phenomenon until I 'came out' as gender critical to friends...and every one of my lesbian friends said they had came up against this in real life, in the past year or so. Never before this, but very often recently.

The transwomen who come on to lesbians are more than ridiculous. They are living in a delusional world and need to go and have a word with themselves.

Vicky, I agree this is a recent phenomenon and clearly a problem. I don't dispute for a second (after reading your links) that there is a disturbing cult going on and because our children have internet access, getting pulled into such cults is a concern all parents should have. I also think we need to separate environmental influences from genetic ones.

Intersex states aren't always visible. When I was doing my nursing training, I did my stint on the gynae ward. A young woman had been brought in because she had a closed vagina and needed to be sedated and examined properly. It turned out she was a full hermaphrodite with no visible external signs. She'd obviously been raised as a girl but she was a lesbian and she was very butch.

We still know so little about how the brain works. I mean, we know gayness isn't just a sexual thing but we don't really know why one child will grow up to be gay when all his/her siblings are straight. We don't know why some women who grow up in happy families decide to have early hysterectomies as birth control and we don't know why some people 'really' do want to change their gender and live very happy lives once they have.