[Tom4784]

Jeremy Corbyn only gets brought up by his haters these days, again, like I said in my previous post, probably because it's easier for people to get mad about him then it is to face up to the reality of what they voted for.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Jeremy Corbyn only gets brought up by his haters these days, again, like I said in my previous post, probably because it's easier for people to get mad about him then it is to face up to the reality of what they voted for.

I can't get past his support for terrorists, his lack of action on the anti-Semitic tendencies of his own party and that fact that he has a Marxist for a Shadow Chancellor. Labour needs to be strong and it needed a BIG boost after Blair and Brown. But Corbyn is a Bridge Too Far and will bring more harm than good. Similarly, the Tories desperately need to sort themselves into some semblance of order. It scares me that May and Corbyn are, at present, our only two options. They're at opposite ends of the ridiculousness scale. One will do just about anything for a smooth Brexit and one will do just about anything to scupper that. All very worrying...

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

I can't get past his support for terrorists, his lack of action on the anti-Semitic tendencies of his own party and that fact that he has a Marxist for a Shadow Chancellor. Labour needs to be strong and it needed a BIG boost after Blair and Brown. But Corbyn is a Bridge Too Far and will bring more harm than good. Similarly, the Tories desperately need to sort themselves into some semblance of order. It scares me that May and Corbyn are, at present, our only two options. They're at opposite ends of the ridiculousness scale. One will do just about anything for a smooth Brexit and one will do just about anything to scupper that. All very worrying...

Meh, if that's a common opinion then it's people's fault for choosing to undertake a precarious brexit when none of the leadership options are well suited for it.

Whatever happens, people had the opportunity to vote on Brexit and who would lead it, if people don't get the Brexit they want then it's on their heads for poor choices.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Meh, if that's a common opinion then it's people's fault for choosing to undertake a precarious brexit when none of the leadership options are well suited for it.

Whatever happens, people had the opportunity to vote on Brexit and who would lead it, if people don't get the Brexit they want then it's on their heads for poor choices.

We're tied to Brexit now though, I'd like to see us get the best deal we can without the rest of Europe watching our politicians have this stupid, embarrassing, childish bun-fight. If there was a general election in the Spring - and let's face it, it could well happen - who would I vote for? I don't recognise any party now that I would support.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Jeremy Corbyn only gets brought up by his haters these days, again, like I said in my previous post, probably because it's easier for people to get mad about him then it is to face up to the reality of what they voted for.

The people who irrationally,in my view,hate Corbyn actually much more than likely fear any chance of any new election.

Because they underestimated him,saw him as a joke thought few would be attracted to voting for him.
They solidly supported incompetent Mrs May,when she called an election,laughing at Labour and saying Labour was finished under him.

They got a massive shock in June and know in an election now their heartless govt.would be turfed out.
Not necessarily by a majority Labour govt.but Labour would likely win most seats and other Parties,except for Con poodles DUP,would ensure this cruel set of Con ministers were well and truly out of power.

The Corbyn haters,hated Miliband too,it's just a vicious circle.

This vote last night was a Conservative MP's amendment, supported by all just about,of other elected MPs and parties,except the extreme DUP.
This was a start to proper democracy,holding a bad govt.a bad PM too who seems incapable of genuinely listening to others, to account at last.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The people who irrationally,in my view,hate Corbyn actually much more than likely fear any chance of any new election.

Because they underestimated him,saw him as a joke thought few would be attracted to voting for him.
They solidly supported incompetent Mrs May,when she called an election,laughing at Labour and saying Labour was finished under him.

They got a massive shock in June and know in an election now their heartless govt.would be turfed out.
Not necessarily by a majority Labour govt.but Labour would likely win most seats and other Parties,except for Con poodles DUP,would ensure this cruel set of Con ministers were well and truly out of power.

The Corbyn haters,hated Miliband too,it's just a vicious circle.

This vote last night was a Conservative MP's amendment, supported by all just about,of other elected MPs and parties,except the extreme DUP.
This was a start to proper democracy,holding a bad govt.a bad PM too who seems incapable of genuinely listening to others, to account at last.

Some of us can bring to mind his past, joey. He is friends with terrorist, he supported the IRA... you can't wipe that stuff out. And no one will say what they think will happen when we have a Marxist as a Chancellor.

Corbyn was a convenient protest vote but I think most people are intelligent enough to know he'd be a terrible leader for this country.

May is making some monumental mistakes. Her most avid supporters will admit that (not that I am one of them). But it seems that Corbyn can do no wrong in the eyes of his blinkered, star-struck followers.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Some of us can bring to mind his past, joey. He is friends with terrorist, he supported the IRA... you can't wipe that stuff out. And no one will say what they think will happen when we have a Marxist as a Chancellor.

Corbyn was a convenient protest vote but I think most people are intelligent enough to know he'd be a terrible leader for this country.

May is making some monumental mistakes. Her most avid supporters will admit that (not that I am one of them). But it seems that Corbyn can do no wrong in the eyes of his blinkered, star-struck followers.

I don't agree with all your assessment of Corbyn.
Although he was never my choice of leader.

I think among voters,this disunited UK whether that be over the EU, the referendum or now politics in general.
Has a clear split that never mind the EU issue,will be difficult to combat.

It would appear older voters,,still lean Conservative.
Younger voters and the newer intake of voters lean rather strongly to Labour but under Corbyn.
I was talking to some new voters,just turned 18 this year a short while back, they admire and are the strongest I've come across as to him,outside those in Labour.
They seem determined just not to entertain the Conservatives at all.

While I'm pleased to see Labour holding onto and gaining momentum.
It equally is concerning in an already fractured UK,to see a PM and governing at present party virtually seen to be unable to really connect with the future set of voters coming in.

You have been consistent in your dislike of Corbyn, I appreciate that and as you know,I have never in all my time on here ever liked Mrs May,either as Home Secretary or PM.

What happened last night on this vote was even some of her own MPs felt she and the cabinet,were trying to scupper parliament and were not really listening to/considering their concerns on Brexit.
If voters seeing that,then take that on board, the Conservatives are I think in deep trouble in an election.
Which I think could still end up happening sooner than 2022.

Always good to discuss politics with you Livia.

[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I don't agree with all your assessment of Corbyn.
Although he was never my choice of leader.

I think among voters,this disunited UK whether that be over the EU, the referendum or now politics in general.
Has a clear split that never mind the EU issue,will be difficult to combat.

It would appear older voters,,still lean Conservative.
Younger voters and the newer intake of voters lean rather strongly to Labour but under Corbyn.
I was talking to some new voters,just turned 18 this year a short while back, they admire and are the strongest I've come across as to him,outside those in Labour.
They seem determined just not to entertain the Conservatives at all.

While I'm pleased to see Labour holding onto and gaining momentum.
It equally is concerning in an already fractured UK,to see a PM and governing at present party virtually seen to be unable to really connect with the future set of voters coming in.

You have been consistent in your dislike of Corbyn, I appreciate that and as you know,I have never in all my time on here ever liked Mrs May,either as Home Secretary or PM.

What happened last night on this vote was even some of her own MPs felt she and the cabinet,were trying to scupper parliament and were not really listening to/considering their concerns on Brexit.
If voters seeing that,then take that on board, the Conservatives are I think in deep trouble in an election.
Which I think could still end up happening sooner than 2022.

Always good to discuss politics with you Livia.

Great use of the word


Young people have always traditionally been more left leaning than others, so nothings changed there. There has always been very strong polarisation of opinion. Think Callaghan, Wilson, Heath, Thatcher, They invoked very strong passionate feelings.

I don't think its so much about the person specifically, there will just come a point where the public say, we want a change, and if someone like Corbyn happens to be the leader at the time, the people will pick him.

My view is that people really wanted a change at the last election, but Corbyn was so far left field with a known history that people at that point just couldn't vote for him. Someone more moderate, and labour would have had a landslide. I can't predict if that position will have changed come the next election, and as Corbyn is no spring chicken, will he even be leader then ... who knows.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Great use of the word


Young people have always traditionally been more left leaning than others, so nothings changed there. There has always been very strong polarisation of opinion. Think Callaghan, Wilson, Heath, Thatcher, They invoked very strong passionate feelings.

I don't think its so much about the person specifically, there will just come a point where the public say, we want a change, and if someone like Corbyn happens to be the leader at the time, the people will pick him.

My view is that people really wanted a change at the last election, but Corbyn was so far left field with a known history that people at that point just couldn't vote for him. Someone more moderate, and labour would have had a landslide. I can't predict if that position will have changed come the next election, and as Corbyn is no spring chicken, will he even be leader then ... who knows.

I don't really think age should be a factor.
Being fit is more important.

It is incredible that the elder leader of a party by far,namely Corbyn is the one connecting with and attracting younger voters,reaching voting age.

Really, over 20% ahead in the polls in late May for the end result to be Conservatives under 3% ahead on polling day is remarkable.
I don't think any party will get landslides again and I hope the UK will through shared govt.come to full PR in hopefully the near future.

You know just around 15 more seats to Labour would have seen a minority Labour govt,supported by the large anti Con votes from near all other Parties other than the DUP.

I think it's now actually the far left policies of Corbyn which are now more in tune with newer voters.

Age however, not an issue for me,Blair,Cameron were younger and we're not that good really.
After all,different times bit really challenging ones, saw Churchill leading the UK through the war in his 60s,70 when it ended.
Then winning power in his mid 70s going on until near 80 as PM.

No,age itself, in my view is not and should not be an issue as to leading a party or becoming PM.
You didn't say it was either.

I still have a feeling an election will come sooner than is thought at present anyway.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Livia

Some of us can bring to mind his past, joey. He is friends with terrorist, he supported the IRA... you can't wipe that stuff out. And no one will say what they think will happen when we have a Marxist as a Chancellor.

Corbyn was a convenient protest vote but I think most people are intelligent enough to know he'd be a terrible leader for this country.

May is making some monumental mistakes. Her most avid supporters will admit that (not that I am one of them). But it seems that Corbyn can do no wrong in the eyes of his blinkered, star-struck followers.

Anyone inteligent enough to understand Corbyn policies will be aware of his lack of interest in Marx. He's admittedly never even read the Communist Manifesto.

He's just a man who plans to renationalise the railways, the Royal Mail, water and energy system but he has no plans to abolish private property or nationalize big business. He wants to invest in infrastructure which will stimulate growth, improve productivity and raise living standards. That doesn't make him a communist as you wrongly suggest, it doesn't make him a socialist; it makes him a post-war Keynesian.