[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

what a joyous time of year. Let's all sing a carol

so the personal tax allowance gets raised by 100.00 but they claw it back via council tax and more people are caught in the net as every household pays it

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Candy Cane

so the personal tax allowance gets raised by 100.00 but they claw it back via council tax and more people are caught in the net as every household pays it

You can claim up to a 100% rebate if you are on a low income.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by NanaChristmas

You can claim up to a 100% rebate if you are on a low income.

I didn't know that!

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by NanaChristmas

You can claim up to a 100% rebate if you are on a low income.

Really? i didn't know that!

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Originally Posted by Candy Cane

so the personal tax allowance gets raised by 100.00 but they claw it back via council tax and more people are caught in the net as every household pays it

Weeell, that's not really true, there are council tax reductions on low income scaling all the way down to paying zero. I didn't pay council tax in England cos we woz so poor when we lived there (two of us and a baby on 25 hours min wage, ugh...).

But yeah... for most working families, a 6% council tax increase will cost more than they'll get from the personal tax allowance increases . Robbing Peter to pay Paul, and all that.

For the vast majority, also, Scotland's 1p tax increase will cost less than a 6% council tax increase. In fact the only people who will be less affected by the council tax increase than the Scottish income tax are the highest earners - because even the highest council tax bands are only 3x the lowest. Meaning the increase for a 10 bed mansion is only approx Ł200 a year... whereas it's about Ł65 a year for even the grottiest band A bedsit.

Looking at it quickly... it seems that middle income is once again hit hardest in relation to income (average family home bands - C/D/E) who will pay just under Ł100 a year extra.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

Weeell, that's not really true, there are council tax reductions on low income scaling all the way down to paying zero. I didn't pay council tax in England cos we woz so poor when we lived there (two of us and a baby on 25 hours min wage, ugh...).

But yeah... for most working families, a 6% council tax increase will cost more than they'll get from the personal tax allowance increases . Robbing Peter to pay Paul, and all that.

For the vast majority, also, Scotland's 1p tax increase will cost less than a 6% council tax increase. In fact the only people who will be less affected by the council tax increase than the Scottish income tax are the highest earners - because even the highest council tax bands are only 3x the lowest. Meaning the increase for a 10 bed mansion is only approx Ł200 a year... whereas it's about Ł65 a year for even the grottiest band A bedsit.
Looking at it quickly... it seems that middle income is once again hit hardest in relation to income (average family home bands - C/D/E) who will pay just under Ł100 a year extra.

Everyone knows there are reductions for people on a low income but even those on UC ESA or JSA have to pay a percentage towards CT now and the rise will no doubt be reflected here.

Nobody gets to pay nothing anymore except a very small percentage of people.

[Cherry Christmas]

[QUOTE=Christmas treeza;9745496]Everyone knows there are reductions for people on a low income but even those on UC ESA or JSA have to pay a percentage towards CT now and the rise will no doubt be reflected here.

Nobody gets to pay nothing anymore except a very small percentage of people.[/QUOTE]

This should please you given you were complaining about the PTA being raised?

[Kizzy]

[QUOTE=Candy Cane;9745501]

Originally Posted by Christmas treeza

Everyone knows there are reductions for people on a low income but even those on UC ESA or JSA have to pay a percentage towards CT now and the rise will no doubt be reflected here.

Nobody gets to pay nothing anymore except a very small percentage of people.[/QUOTE]

This should please you given you were complaining about the PTA being raised?

What should please me CT hikes... why's that then?

I'm in favour of income tax rises not council tax.

[Cherry Christmas]

[QUOTE=Christmas treeza;9745509]

Originally Posted by Candy Cane

What should please me CT hikes... why's that then?

I'm in favour of income tax rises not council tax.

your point on the budget thread was that you were not happy with the personal allowance being hiked, the allowance that helps the lowest paid the most...you were hand wringing over where the money would come from to support the services, now you have your answer


Personally i don't mind paying 3 per cent extra for social care as long as that is where it is directed, it is better than raising NI contributions in my opinion where the money just gets wasted on more managers and meetings. That 3 percent extra is what I have a problem with as services will remain the same or be cut..

[Kizzy]

[QUOTE=Candy Cane;9745524]

Originally Posted by Christmas treeza

your point on the budget thread was that you were not happy with the personal allowance being hiked, the allowance that helps the lowest paid the most...you were hand wringing over where the money would come from to support the services, now you have your answer


Personally i don't mind paying 3 per cent extra for social care as long as that is where it is directed, it is better than raising NI contributions in my opinion where the money just gets wasted on more managers and meetings. That 3 percent extra is what I have a problem with as services will remain the same or be cut..

Can you ever not just comment without the face palming and hand wringing mockery cherie?...
It's getting really boring.

It is seen as an answer but in my opinion it's a crap answer, I would prefer it to come from income tax as I stated in the budget thread.

How would CT have a very specific useful purpose but a raise in NI or income tax be 'wasted'?

The way I prefer sounds similar to Scotlands system according to TS and he sounds happy enough with it so what's your issue?