[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Yes, as a lot of people are, but attention seeking isn't the reason she will have had a sex change operation, which is the point being made.

I was referring to the fact that I had called her an attention seeker. And she is.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Livia

I was referring to the fact that I had called her an attention seeker. And she is.

Oh ok, I thought you were commenting on the previous posts about her attention seeking being a possible reason for her transitioning.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

That can only be an assumption from either side as no-one can prove it, which was LT's original point.

Well no I can't prove it, I don't know anything about the assessments India has had, I just consider it extremely unlikely and it puzzles me why someone would believe that side over the other side because it makes so much more sense to me.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Oh ok, I thought you were commenting on the previous posts about her attention seeking being a possible reason for her transitioning.

I said she is an attention and she was probably an attention seeker when she was a man... and that her personality will be much the same now as then. I just don't like her, and that has nothing to do with her gender.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Oh ok, I thought you were commenting on the previous posts about her attention seeking being a possible reason for her transitioning.



Well no I can't prove it, I don't know anything about the assessments India has had, I just consider it extremely unlikely and it puzzles me why someone would believe that side over the other side because it makes so much more sense to me.

the difference is that believing or not does enter into the equation where other critical NHS procedures are based on hard fact and evidence. Like it or not NHS services will always have to be prioritised and as such there will always be negative voices raised when something cannot be proven in black and white terms.

I don't set the priorities, but I can fully understand those that are waiting on life dependent treatment questioning priorities.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Livia

I said she is an attention and she was probably an attention seeker when she was a man... and that her personality will be much the same now as then. I just don't like her, and that has nothing to do with her gender.

I know I get that now It's because it came right in the middle of comments being made about attention seeking being a possible reason for her to claim to be a transsexual/have a sex change... crossed wires.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the difference is that believing or not does enter into the equation where other critical NHS procedures are based on hard fact and evidence. Like it or not NHS services will always have to be prioritised and as such there will always be negative voices raised when something cannot be proven in black and white terms.

I don't set the priorities, but I can fully understand those that are waiting on life dependent treatment questioning priorities.

I suppose I just disagree with that. It's impossible for a transsexual person to prove that they are indeed transsexual, and yet they are people in my view who require medical assistance. Not doing anything for them can be severely harmful and I think the NHS should support people like that as well as others who are able to prove they need help through it being physically obvious. They are required to go to lengths in order to be approved for treatment and I'm not really sure what else could be expected of them... unless we just leave them. And the way I see it the only justification I would be able to make for just leaving them, would be if they were potentially lying about being transsexual, and I can't get my head around that way of thinking at all.