[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Like him or hate him he was voted in. Those that dislike the result of a public vote can’t overturn it everytime it doesn’t suit them. Politics would collapse under the weight of the hypocricy. Like it or lump it. There are many dubious politians on all sides in Britain and America. Any of us can get lumbered at any time.

I for one don’t relish a hard-left Corbyn government. He may be less inclined to show his hand than the likes of Trump but give me an an open fool than a less honest one. I know which I think is more dangerous.

You really don't understand the issues surrounding the Trump presidency do you? This isn't about people being upset he's won, it's about the fact that he is corrupt and was working with a nation that America has tensions with to win an election.

The Corbyn comparison really does not make any sense and is pretty unrelated to the topic which is about corruption in US politics.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You really don't understand the issues surrounding the Trump presidency do you? This isn't about people being upset he's won, it's about the fact that he is corrupt and was working with a nation that America has tensions with to win an election.

The Corbyn comparison really does not make any sense and is pretty unrelated to the topic which is about corruption in US politics.

Don’t I. It is about people upset he won and jumping on everything he says and does to prove their point. As for the Russia thing that remains unproven with so-called evidence both confirming and dismissing any such allegations.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Don’t I. It is about people upset he won and jumping on everything he says and does to prove their point. As for the Russia thing that remains unproven with so-called evidence both confirming and dismissing any such allegations.

People are allowed to criticise the things he says and does though. Just as if Corbyn became PM you would still be able to criticise him. That's all part of being democratic too.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Don’t I. It is about people upset he won and jumping on everything he says and does to prove their point. As for the Russia thing that remains unproven with so-called evidence both confirming and dismissing any such allegations.

Yeah...all the problems with Trump's presidency resides with people being mad that he won, nothing to do with the fact that he has pretty much gone back on every campaign promise he has made, he has sold out his core voters by forcing through a tax bill that benefits only millionaires and big corporations at the cost of health care and tax aids and other benefits for people that need them and it's not like he hasn't told well other 1,000 proven lies in hist first year of presidency, right?

Let's not get into the fact, that he doesn't understand what diplomacy is and is basically trying to bait a war in order to divert attention away from the investigation with his involvement with Russia's actions during the election.

I understand that he dislikes muslims and immigrants and that appeals to you but you should honestly try to read up on his presidency because it's increasingly obvious that you don't know the issues surrounding his presidency. You just think 'it's loony lefties being upset he has won! he's done nothing wrong!'

That's just ignoring everything that doesn't benefit the agenda you want to push.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Yeah...all the problems with Trump's presidency resides with people being mad that he won, nothing to do with the fact that he has pretty much gone back on every campaign promise he has made, he has sold out his core voters by forcing through a tax bill that benefits only millionaires and big corporations at the cost of health care and tax aids and other benefits for people that need them and it's not like he hasn't told well other 1,000 proven lies in hist first year of presidency, right?

Let's not get into the fact, that he doesn't understand what diplomacy is and is basically trying to bait a war in order to divert attention away from the investigation with his involvement with Russia's actions during the election.

I understand that he dislikes muslims and immigrants and that appeals to you but you should honestly try to read up on his presidency because it's increasingly obvious that you don't know the issues surrounding his presidency. You just think 'it's loony lefties being upset he has won! he's done nothing wrong!'

That's just ignoring everything that doesn't benefit the agenda you want to push.

Being patronising is not a good look. Much of your post is an opinion piece rather than cold hard facts so don’t try to pretend otherwise.

I am not a fan of Trumps but if you think the alternative of Clinton was some kind of poster child for democracy and honest politics you are conveniently kidding yourself. There have been many allegations about Hilary Clinton’s connections to the Russians not to mention the history of her husband. Distasteful pair.

The real problem with politics in America and in Britain is the lack of a a serious choice. Who do we have - May or Corbyn. We are all forced to choose between the lesser of two evils and go with those whose general policies have more in common with our own.

‘You understands he dislikes Muslims and immigrants’ do you! Many Americans have, like most of Europe, become dissolutioned with the effects of Mass immigration and Islam on their countries. We are not talking a handful of people here but many millions of people. You can’t just dismiss them all as racists and bigots and refuse to look at the role Immigrants and Muslins have played in that - not if you want to be taken seriously.

You will never further your cause to convert people to your way of thinking with your pushy and downright rude and patronising tactics. Other people who have a different opinion to you can and do think for themselves and don’t have to listen to your constant insults. If anything your immature and unprofessional tactics are likely to have the opposite effect of what you desire. Politics is definitely not for you.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Being patronising is not a good look. Much of your post is an opinion piece rather than cold hard facts so don’t try to pretend otherwise.

I am not a fan of Trumps but if you think the alternative of Clinton was some kind of poster child for democracy and honest politics you are conveniently kidding yourself. There have been many allegations about Hilary Clinton’s connections to the Russians not to mention the history of her husband. Distasteful pair.

The real problem with politics in America and in Britain is the lack of a a serious choice. Who do we have - May or Corbyn. We are all forced to choose between the lesser of two evils and go with those whose general policies have more in common with our own.

‘You understands he dislikes Muslims and immigrants’ do you! Many Americans have, like most of Europe, become dissolutioned with the effects of Mass immigration and Islam on their countries. We are not talking a handful of people here but many millions of people. You can’t just dismiss them all as racists and bigots and refuse to look at the role Immigrants and Muslins have played in that - not if you want to be taken seriously.

You will never further your cause to convert people to your way of thinking with your pushy and downright rude and patronising tactics. Other people who have a different opinion to you can and do think for themselves and don’t have to listen to your constant insults. If anything your immature and unprofessional tactics are likely to have the opposite effect of what you desire. Politics is definitely not for you.

Here's two important definitions for you

opinion
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noun
1.
a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
"that, in my opinion, is right"
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2.
a statement of advice by an expert on a professional matter.
"if in doubt, get a second opinion"

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a thing that is known or proved to be true.
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synonyms: reality, actuality, certainty, factuality, certitude; More
information used as evidence or as part of a report or news article.
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used to refer to a particular situation under discussion.
noun: the fact that
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Let's have a look at what I said, shall we?

The first thing was that Trump has gone back on his campaign promises and thankfully for some of them, he hasn't kept his promise. The wall isn't happening any time soon, He hasn't managed to get rid of the affordable health care yet and Planned Parenthood is yet to be defunded and his insane plans for immigration haven't taken effect but most of his tax related policies have either stalled, been forgotten, or won't stand a chance of getting through congress. He promised to close the interest loophole on taxes but the tax bill is going back and forth in Congress and the Senate and it's not been mentioned at all, a broken promise.. One of the few promises he did manage to keep was to back out of an environmental deal because he is stupid enough to ignore the facts and believe Climate Change is not real.

The Tax Bill benefits the wealthy more than the middle and working classes of America, as previously mentioned, he has not closed down loopholes for b/millionaires as promised and they benefit far more from the bill then working classes especially when you consider cuts to pensions and Trump's ongoing war against free healthcare.

As for the comment I made about the lies, that's also a fact. As of November 14th 2017, Trump had made 1,628 false or misleading claims since becoming president, that time frame adds up to 298 days. No opinions here, just researched facts.

What has Hillary Clinton got to do with anything? She didn't win and like I said, people, while mad he won, aren't angry a year on that he won, they're angry at his actions in office. I don't know what's so difficult to understand about that.

Again, UK politics is irrelevant in a discussion about US politics.

If you want an example of a 'opinion piece' then look no further than your last two paragraphs which were nothing but assumptions, that's how YOU feel so you assume everyone else feels the same way. A flawed way of thinking.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Here's two important definitions for you





Let's have a look at what I said, shall we?

The first thing was that Trump has gone back on his campaign promises and thankfully for some of them, he hasn't kept his promise. The wall isn't happening any time soon, He hasn't managed to get rid of the affordable health care yet and Planned Parenthood is yet to be defunded and his insane plans for immigration haven't taken effect but most of his tax related policies have either stalled, been forgotten, or won't stand a chance of getting through congress. He promised to close the interest loophole on taxes but the tax bill is going back and forth in Congress and the Senate and it's not been mentioned at all, a broken promise.. One of the few promises he did manage to keep was to back out of an environmental deal because he is stupid enough to ignore the facts and believe Climate Change is not real.

The Tax Bill benefits the wealthy more than the middle and working classes of America, as previously mentioned, he has not closed down loopholes for b/millionaires as promised and they benefit far more from the bill then working classes especially when you consider cuts to pensions and Trump's ongoing war against free healthcare.

As for the comment I made about the lies, that's also a fact. As of November 14th 2017, Trump had made 1,628 false or misleading claims since becoming president, that time frame adds up to 298 days. No opinions here, just researched facts.

What has Hillary Clinton got to do with anything? She didn't win and like I said, people, while mad he won, aren't angry a year on that he won, they're angry at his actions in office. I don't know what's so difficult to understand about that.

Again, UK politics is irrelevant in a discussion about US politics.

If you want an example of a 'opinion piece' then look no further than your last two paragraphs which were nothing but assumptions, that's how YOU feel so you assume everyone else feels the same way. A flawed way of thinking.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37982000

Some things are still ongoing - a work in progress.

Not the complete disaster you suggest. I’ve yet to hear of a politician that keeps all their promises especially in the first year. As for telling lies, well that seems to come as second nature to most politicians so to try to imply he is the exception to the rule is laughable and just more Trump hating on your part.

As I have said I am not a fan but your prejudice is clear just as it is about the Tories and any political party/politician you want out especially if their policies are anti immigration and non-PC.

If you want to make a thing about politicians doing a complete u-turn on their principles try not ignoring Corbyn’s complete u-turn on Brexit and his long-held anti-EU beliefs.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

a tax bill that benefits only millionaires and big corporations

Actually, 80% of taxpayers will see a cut in the tax they pay.