[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Tell me Withano, do you date girls?

Better message Cherie to see if its okay to move the goalpost to here first

[bots]

Originally Posted by Withano

Better message Cherie to see if its okay to move the goalpost to here first

deflection

[Withano]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

deflection

Almost as if thats the point i was trying to make, odd

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Almost as if thats the point i was trying to make, odd

Still waiting for an answer?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Better message Cherie to see if its okay to move the goalpost to here first

I don't need permission. And you didn't answer the question. I'm trying to understand where you are coming from.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I don't need permission. And you didn't answer the question. I'm trying to understand where you are coming from.

Ok fair enough.

From my perspective, people have turn ons and turn offs, they are unique to each person and they are perfectly fine in every instance. Ginuwine is absolutely 100% fine by me by not wanting to date any transwoman. LT made a good point in saying he is turned off by big hands and big feet, and that makes complete sense. Others were asked why they wouldnt date a trans. Their response was more in the word trans itself, and their chromosomes. This doesnt make sense to me. This seems more of an internal issue than an external one (unlike hands and feet). All I done before the argument was clarify that I understood correctly, because I couldnt understand the logic there. If they were to say they liked a masculine jawline then I wouldnt have responded at all, that is a turn on for them and makes complete sense, a sexual attraction to chromosomes, not so much.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Withano

Ok fair enough.

From my perspective, people have turn ons and turn offs, they are unique to each person and they are perfectly fine in every instance. Ginuwine is absolutely 100% fine by me by not wanting to date any transwoman. LT made a good point in saying he is turned off by big hands and big feet, and that makes complete sense. Others were asked why they wouldnt date a trans. Their response was more in the word trans itself, and their chromosomes. This doesnt make sense to me. This seems more of an internal issue than an external one (unlike hands and feet). All I done before the argument was clarify that I understood correctly, because I couldnt understand the logic there. If they were to say they liked a masculine jawline then I wouldnt have responded at all, that is a turn on for them and makes complete sense, a sexual attraction to chromosomes, not so much.

You understand LT and not me. Because LT's issue is physical and mine is not.

Well, maybe the issue is your own comprehension.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Livia

You understand LT and not me. Because LT's issue is physical and mine is not.

Well, maybe the issue is your own comprehension.

No I understand that yours isnt physical, I just wanted to clarify that it was your internal issue to learn more about the poll results I guess. I am genuinely interested in the responses.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Livia

You understand LT and not me. Because LT's issue is physical and mine is not.

Well, maybe the issue is your own comprehension.

I think it is physical though as the ‘bits’ are not flesh and blood, they are constructed. Can’t see how that differs from men not being attracted to women with breast implants. Although in the case of transgenders it goes deeper than that. It is physical and psychological.

I find neither the physical or the psychological aspects of a transgender attractive and reserve the right to that opinion. I owe no one an explanation of my preferences.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Ok fair enough.

From my perspective, people have turn ons and turn offs, they are unique to each person and they are perfectly fine in every instance. Ginuwine is absolutely 100% fine by me by not wanting to date any transwoman. LT made a good point in saying he is turned off by big hands and big feet, and that makes complete sense. Others were asked why they wouldnt date a trans. Their response was more in the word trans itself, and their chromosomes. This doesnt make sense to me. This seems more of an internal issue than an external one (unlike hands and feet). All I done before the argument was clarify that I understood correctly, because I couldnt understand the logic there. If they were to say they liked a masculine jawline then I wouldnt have responded at all, that is a turn on for them and makes complete sense

Let me explain. A woman has two x chromosones and a male an x and y. Your dna is like the lego of you and so someone with xx lego will most likely have female characteristics in regard to size, shape, structure. Someone with an xy will be constructed with male characteristics. While you can have a short man and a tall woman, their physical structure is still going to be different. I believe they have discovered that being gay or straight is also in the genes.

What you are demanding of people in this thread is exactly the same as demanding that a gay man must date butch women because they look more manly.

And you are evading my question when Livia gave you the curtesy of her time and answering your interrogation.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Let me explain. A woman has two x chromosones and a male an x and y. Your dna is like the lego of you and so someone with xx lego will most likely have female characteristics in regard to size, shape, structure. Someone with an xy will be constructed with male characteristics. While you can have a short man and a tall woman, their physical structure is still going to be different. I believe they have discovered that being gay or straight is also in the genes.

What you are demanding of people in this thread is exactly the same as demanding that a gay man must date butch women because they look more manly.

And you are evading my question when Livia gave you the curtesy of her time and answering your interrogation.

I dont know what gay men and butch women have to do with the points I've discussed so far.. i dont think youre actually reading what I'm saying at all. If those are the parallels you think I'm drawing, you cant have.

We were discussing an obviously attractive male, and at what point they become an unattractive transmale. Learning their chromosomes does not really make logical sense to me, but I clarified that they were entitled to that answer. But it would suggest that their issue with dating trans is more internal. The physical body structure that come along with chromosomes were irrelevant in the discussion, but a masculine body structure would obviously be a plausible reason to find some transmen unattractive, in the same way that big hands or feet is a plausible reason for not wanting to date some transwomen (not that it is relevant to this specific scenario though, he had an incredibly masculine body structure). I'm not demanding anything from anyone, just discussing the points that they, themselves brought up.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Withano

I dont know what gay men and butch women have to do with the points I've discussed so far.. i dont think youre actually reading what I'm saying at all. If those are the parallels you think I'm drawing, you cant have.

We were discussing an obviously attractive male, and at what point they become an unattractive transmale. Learning their chromosomes does not really make logical sense to me, but I clarified that they were entitled to that answer. But it would suggest that their issue with dating trans is more internal. The physical body structure that come along with chromosomes were irrelevant in the discussion, but a masculine body structure would obviously be a plausible reason to find some transmen unattractive (not this specific scenario though, he had an incredibly masculine body structure). I'm not demanding anything from anyone, just discussing the points that they, themselves brought up.

You asked valid questions as did smithy, but instead of answering those questions members took you all round the houses.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

I dont know what gay men and butch women have to do with the points I've discussed so far.. i dont think youre actually reading what I'm saying at all. If those are the parallels you think I'm drawing, you cant have.

We were discussing an obviously attractive male, and at what point they become an unattractive transmale. Learning their chromosomes does not really make logical sense to me, but I clarified that they were entitled to that answer. But it would suggest that their issue with dating trans is more internal. The physical body structure that come along with chromosomes were irrelevant in the discussion, but a masculine body structure would obviously be a plausible reason to find some transmen unattractive, in the same way that big hands or feet is a plausible reason for not wanting to date some transwomen (not that it is relevant to this specific scenario though, he had an incredibly masculine body structure). I'm not demanding anything from anyone, just discussing the points that they, themselves brought up.

You still didn't answer my question.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

You still didn't answer my question.

If thats all you have to add to my pretty lengthy paragraph, i think weve already came to a mutual understanding. You did afterall, only want to know so you could understand where I was coming from, right?