[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I am surprised. I have gone from not really thinking anything of him to absolutely loving him.

Finally someone has snapped with Indias bull****.

I do not think Andrew actually sees India as a woman either, given the 'dickhead' prick' thing at the end, those are just not usual insults for a woman.

Mind it would be hard to see India as a woman anyway given all they talk about is transition, being a man and mememememememememe

India completely cut off Andrew when he was talking about being camp..India has no interest at all in anything but themselves. Stupid self-centered prick.

Hope the others follow suit and just start ignoring it and walking off.

No offence Vicky but you're coming accross EXTREMELY transphobic constanly making posts Caliing trans people "them" and "it".

I can't stand India but I still think of her as a woman and not "it".

Btw girls are called that Jade calling Shilpa a ****ing prick is an example I don't get how you being a fan of Andrew and then accusing him of transphobia links together?

You seem to be be generalising one trans woman to everyone when infact India is just a prick.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by andybigbro

There wasn’t really much backlash for India before he entered,

I disagree....India was wearing people down by day 2.

[andybigbro]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I disagree....India was wearing people down by day 2.

Yeah but the content “victim” has been since the males are in.

[Beso]

He even called india "luvvy"..strange term to use..one i could imagine i would call an upset gay friend as i consoled him.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by pontyboi

No offence Vicky but you're coming accross EXTREMELY transphobic co stanly making posts Cali g trans people "them" .

I can't stand India but I still think of her as a woman and not "it".

Btw girls are called that Jade calling Shilpa a ****ing prick is an example I don't get how you being a fan of Andrew and then accusing him of transphobia links together?

You seem to be be generalising one trans woman to everyone when infact India is just a prick.

I didn't call India it? I use them/their (or Indias name) intentionally so I don't slip up and say he instead of she like Andy just did. As then people jump on it.

I am not accusing Andrew of transphobia either. It is not transphobic to acknowledge that a transwoman is male. Especially a transwoman who speaks of nothing else but the transition and their life as a male.

And honestly, 'transphobic' means **** all to me anymore. Believing in biology is transphobic apparently. I have had rape and death threats on twitter over **** like this, so an accusation on here is really nothing. No offense

[bots]

Originally Posted by andybigbro

Yeah but the content “victim” has been since the males are in.

i think Ann made the first slip day 2, day 3 it was Rachel and then Amanda, and all that mess, which all happened before the guys went in

[Lostie!]

I like Andrew

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I don't I don't know why I just get the feeling he's really disingenuous and very aware of the public vote (and I also find him kind of bland).

Pretty much all of this too

[Vicky.]

Ahh I see

Hope the others follow suit and just start ignoring it and walking off.

I meant ignore the drama and such. I was not calling India it.

[andybigbro]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think Ann made the first slip day 2, day 3 it was Rachel and then Amanda, and all that mess, which all happened before the guys went in

Yeah but the constant victim act has been after the males entered.

[andybigbro]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I didn't call India it? I use them/their (or Indias name) intentionally so I don't slip up and say he instead of she like Andy just did. As then people jump on it.

I am not accusing Andrew of transphobia either.

And honestly, 'transphobic' means **** all to me anymore. Believing in biology is transphobic apparently. I have had rape and death threats on twitter over **** like this, so an accusation on here is really nothing. No offense

I never slipped up, I was referring to Andrew when I said he. India didn’t have any backlash before Andrew entered.

[Beso]

Old age...its old age.

[Vicky.]

Oh. Well others have slipped up and its easy to do. When India keeps going on about it. I never had issues calling Nadia her or Luke he. As they barely mentioned it but India is always on about it so its always in my mind. Hence specifically using them/their/India. Pretty sure I have explained this before in another thread actually.

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I didn't call India it? I use them/their (or Indias name) intentionally so I don't slip up and say he instead of she like Andy just did. As then people jump on it.

I am not accusing Andrew of transphobia either.

And honestly, 'transphobic' means **** all to me anymore. Believing in biology is transphobic apparently. I have had rape and death threats on twitter over **** like this, so an accusation on here is really nothing. No offense

I'm extremely un pc and hate that big brother in the past gave warnings for the fear of Ofcom that's why I'm loving freedom of speech this series.

Looking back at your your posts though why does it bother you so much that males identify as women? You absolutely 100% state you aren't comfortable with it but let's not call these people "them" as you have done in previous posts.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by andybigbro

Yeah but the constant victim act has been after the males entered.

No...she had the victim act on day 2 when Ann called her a he....that continued on day three when Amanda and Rachel said it...then it resurfaced with Ginuwine when he said he wouldn't sleep with a transgender woman and then she saw an opportunity to bring it to a fore tonight when Andrew dressed up.

[Tom4784]

He's one of my unexpected faves.

I'm tired of India, she doesn't have a phobia of drag queens, she has a phobia of not being the centre of attention.

[andybigbro]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

No...she had the victim act on day 2 when Ann called her a he....that continued on day three when Amanda and Rachel said it...then it resurfaced with Ginuwine when he said he wouldn't sleep with a transgender woman and then she saw an opportunity to bring it to a fore tonight when Andrew dressed up.

Tbf it was mainly when Amanda called her it, she spoke to Ann and said she understood it was a mistake. But after constant mis-gendering she played up to the victim role.

I still don't think Andrews behaviour has a trying to do with backlash that India has been getting. I'm talking more about backlash from the public rather than the housemates when I said Andrew entered after the backlash.

[bots]

Originally Posted by andybigbro

Tbf it was mainly when Amanda called her it, she spoke to Ann and said she understood it was a mistake. But after constant mis-gendering she played up to the victim role.

I still don't think Andrews behaviour has a trying to do with backlash that India has been getting. I'm talking more about backlash from the public rather than the housemates when I said Andrew entered after the backlash.

i had made up my mind about india after the way she treated an 82 year old woman, Andrew would have seen that too

[Beso]

The 2nd incident was aired the night the blokes went in i think? But i remember andrew on the live feed talking to amanda about how she had come across..she was fishing...there was no victim playing in the ann incident tbf

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by pontyboi

I'm extremely un pc and hate that big brother in the past gave warnings for the fear of Ofcom that's why I'm loving freedom of speech this series.

Looking back at your your posts though why does it bother you so much that males identify as women? You absolutely 100% state you aren't comfortable with it but let's not call these people "them" as you have done in previous posts.

Are you aware of whats going on at the moment with the GRA? This is nothing to do with big brother but its why I have an issue with anyone essentially being able to 'identify' their way into womanhood. I feel its all extremely damging to the rights of women and I think women should be able to basically have penis free spaces and men vagina free spaces. The law is about to be changed to say 'gender identity' overrides sex. Which is ****ing wrong and I am pushing back against it like hell. Yes I understand that India has no penis and I would have no issue with India using for example the womens changing room...but its literally anyone who says they are a woman in their head at the moment. There are currently male rapists with penises in female prisons, thats how bad it is. Very offtopic but trying to explain my issue with 'trans' as it is today. Also, possibly relevant, I have NO gender identity at all. I don't 'feel like a woman', I am a woman because..biology.

I have no issues using prefered pronouns as such, but given my posts in the serious debates forum I figured if I use she and slip up and say he, people will jump on it to say I am bigotted. Using them/they is gender neutral...and also it makes me think a bit more before pressing post.

And I really really do not think it is transphobic to say a transwoman is a transwoman, not a woman. Or that you would not shag a transwoman as they are male.

[Beso]

Bet they wouldnt see a woman to man trans as a woman and shag them though.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by andybigbro

Tbf it was mainly when Amanda called her it, she spoke to Ann and said she understood it was a mistake. But after constant mis-gendering she played up to the victim role.

I still don't think Andrews behaviour has a trying to do with backlash that India has been getting. I'm talking more about backlash from the public rather than the housemates when I said Andrew entered after the backlash.

When Ann slipped up...she apologised and India seemed to accept it. Later in the evening when Ann was washing up, India went up to her in the kitchen and told Ann not to feel bad about it...it had all been discussed but India felt the need to highlight it AGAIN. The rest is history...
The public were backlashing on her by day 3 when Amanda and Rachel made the same mistake and India found her storyline...
It was all over this forum and Twitter etc....so please don't tell me the boys had no idea as they all said they had been watching.
But never mind...perhaps we will agree to disagree

[pontyboi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Are you aware of whats going on at the moment with the GRA? This is nothing to do with big brother but its why I have an issue with anyone essentially being able to 'identify' their way into womanhood. I feel its all extremely damging to the rights of women and I think women should be able to basically have penis free spaces and men vagina free spaces. The law is about to be changed to say 'gender identity' overrides sex. Which is ****ing wrong and I am pushing back against it like hell. Yes I understand that India has no penis and I would have no issue with India using for example the womens changing room...but its literally anyone who says they are a woman in their head at the moment. There are currently male rapists with penises in female prisons, thats how bad it is. Very offtopic but trying to explain my issue with 'trans' as it is today. Also, possibly relevant, I have NO gender identity at all. I don't 'feel like a woman', I am a woman because..biology.

I have no issues using prefered pronouns as such, but given my posts in the serious debates forum I figured if I use she and slip up and say he, people will jump on it to say I am bigotted. Using them/they is gender neutral...and also it makes me think a bit more before pressing post.

And I really really do not think it is transphobic to say a transwoman is a transwoman, not a woman. Or that you would not shag a transwoman as they are male.

This post just contains a **** load of contradictions and the fact you're so passionate about it speaks volumes.

I'm not gonna talk about it anymore as it could get ugly and I don't want the whole forum becoming a constant discussion of LGBTQ RIGHTS.

[Beso]

Puts down popcorn.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by pontyboi

This post just contains a **** load of contradictions and the fact you're so passionate about it speaks volumes.

I'm not gonna talk about it anymore as it could get ugly and I don't want the whole forum becoming a constant discussion of LGBTQ RIGHTS.

I am passionate about it as I am a feminist and care about the rights of women (born females) being eroded infront of my eyes. I see no contradictions, but up to you

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I am passionate about it as I am a feminist and care about the rights of women (born females) being eroded infront of my eyes. I see no contradictions, but up to you

Your rights are being eroded?!

Huh?