[andybigbro]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I totally agree!

I liked him yesterday but tonight he was awful, his personality flip flops depending on who he chats to, that wouldn't bother me if he wasn't SO different and being nice to the girls and then discussing them like meat behind their back.

Girls talk about guys all the time and who they would date/sleep with.

It’s just banter and harmless.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by andybigbro

Girls talk about guys all the time and who they would date/sleep with.

It’s just banter and harmless.

Mmmm, i don't know. It makes me feel uncomfortable, to be honest.

[andybigbro]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Mmmm, i don't know. It makes me feel uncomfortable, to be honest.

So if Andrew had his top off and girls where like omg yum , oooft. Let me at him That’s ok?

But it Jess was in a bikini and the guys were loft she’s fit yum. I want her. That’s unnacceptable?

[bots]

Originally Posted by andybigbro

So if Andrew had his top off and girls where like omg yum , oooft. Let me at him That’s ok?

But it Jess was in a bikini and the guys were loft she’s fit yum. I want her. That’s unnacceptable?

i thought the tone was predatory rather than banter. I think it comes from Dapper, but Andrew joined in

[andybigbro]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i thought the tone was predatory rather than banter. I think it comes from Dapper, but Andrew joined in

Yeah I get that.

[Vanessa]

Daniel is awful when he's with the lads. Hate the vulgar talk. Urgh!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i thought the tone was predatory rather than banter. I think it comes from Dapper, but Andrew joined in

Daniel is creepy, I can see why his girlfriend was in tears when he went in, she knew he would be perving over everyone, even Ann isn't safe

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Daniel is creepy, I can see why his girlfriend was in tears when he went in, she knew he would be perving over everyone, even Ann isn't safe

even Ann isn't safe

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by andybigbro

So if Andrew had his top off and girls where like omg yum , oooft. Let me at him That’s ok?

But it Jess was in a bikini and the guys were loft she’s fit yum. I want her. That’s unnacceptable?

I just get the feeling that Andrew acts completely different when he's with the lads. I actually think he's quite nice when he's away from them.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by andybigbro

Girls talk about guys all the time and who they would date/sleep with.

It’s just banter and harmless.

I heard Jess and Ashley giggling and discussing who Ashley fancied.

I saw Andrew, Jonny and Dapper talking about who they would bang and generally being knobs and disrespectful.

I saw a big difference but then my fave wasn't being awful so my rose tinted glasses are off

[andybigbro]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I heard Jess and Ashley giggling and discussing who Ashley fancied.

I saw Andrew, Jonny and Dapper talking about who they would bang and generally being knobs and disrespectful.

I saw a big difference but then my fave wasn't being awful so my rose tinted glasses are off

I understand what you are saying but it’s harmless “lad” banter.

I’ve heard girl say worse about guys, but it’s always ignored.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by andybigbro

I understand what you are saying but it’s harmless “lad” banter.

I’ve heard girl say worse about guys, but it’s always ignored.

Maybe girls do but in this situation they didn't

Andrew is fake, he treats the girls with respect to their face but reverts to caveman as soon as they are out of earshot

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by andybigbro

Girls talk about guys all the time and who they would date/sleep with.

It’s just banter and harmless.

I ****ing hate the word banter so much

Its not so much the who would you sleep with thing, its the general attitude towards the women, almost like they are just pieces of meat.

I really enjoyed his talk yesterday about challenging gender stereotypes and how he feels he HAS to be 'laddy' around Dave and John or whatever the names were in the pub..where he doesn't want to be that was and is really camp and such. And then the next day, hes with the houses 'Dave and John' acting all 'grr I am a manly man, bring me pussy'.

So which was the real Andrew?

[andybigbro]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I ****ing hate the word banter so much

Its not so much the who would you sleep with thing, its the general attitude towards the women, almost like they are just pieces of meat.

I really enjoyed his talk yesterday about challenging gender stereotypes and how he feels he HAS to be 'laddy' around Dave and John or whatever the names were in the pub..where he doesn't want to be that was and is really camp and such. And then the next day, hes with the houses 'Dave and John' acting all 'grr I am a manly man'.

So which was the real Andrew?

I think everyone is different to some extent around different people and to say you aren’t is lies. Everyone changes some part of their personality to fit with people to some degree. Doesn’t make you fake it’s just how we feel we need to adapt around certain people.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by andybigbro

I think everyone is different to some extent around different people and to say you aren’t is lies. Everyone changes some part of their personality to fit with people to some degree. Doesn’t make you fake it’s just how we feel we need to adapt around certain people.

Yes we all adapt to different social situations, such as I will be slightly more reserved in front of people I don't know or I watch my language around older people but I don't hang around with my girl friends and start talking about who I want to destroy my vagina.

[andybigbro]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Yes we all adapt to different social situations, such as I will be slightly more reserved in front of people I don't know or I watch my language around older people but I don't hang around with my girl friends and start talking about who I want to destroy my vagina.

Ok..

Yeah but some may be more open with their girl pals and talk about boys and who they would “bang”- they might not use that word but some equivalent.

I think the whole conversation is being slightly over-reacted. Yes it’s not very respectful but i don’t think it defines his character.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by andybigbro

I think everyone is different to some extent around different people and to say you aren’t is lies. Everyone changes some part of their personality to fit with people to some degree. Doesn’t make you fake it’s just how we feel we need to adapt around certain people.

Do they? I don't. If I am in a room full of family or something I will try to wtch my language and that but I don't totally change or anything.

And certainly not to the degree of one minute complaining about toxic masculinity and rigid gender norms and the next...behaving in that very same way.

[andybigbro]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Do they? I don't. If I am in a room full of family or something I will try to wtch my language and that but I don't totally change or anything.

And certainly not to the degree of one minute complaining about toxic masculinity and rigid gender norms and the next...behaving in that very same way.

Yeah they do. No one is he exact same with everyone we meet. We adapt our personality to suit and for social “survival” strategies.

He was saying that he couldn’t walk into the bar in drag because the laddish behaviour of the pub folks. I can’t remember exactly what he said but I don’t think it was anything to do with lad chat or banter. He said he was camp, but that doesn’t mean he can’t be a lad. Most lads these days are and very metrosexual

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I ****ing hate the word banter so much

Its not so much the who would you sleep with thing, its the general attitude towards the women, almost like they are just pieces of meat.

I really enjoyed his talk yesterday about challenging gender stereotypes and how he feels he HAS to be 'laddy' around Dave and John or whatever the names were in the pub..where he doesn't want to be that was and is really camp and such. And then the next day, hes with the houses 'Dave and John' acting all 'grr I am a manly man, bring me pussy'.

So which was the real Andrew?