[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Definitely. Just because she wouldn't want to argue it herself though it doesn't mean people shouldn't talk about that aspect of her, I do think the extent of it/number of threads about it etc is a bit much, but we're on here to talk about the housemates after all so it's all fair game. Someone shouldn't go on the show if they don't want their views judged and discussed.

I disagree, she would expect you to have your views and expect the same in return.

Nothing more

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by smudgie

I think the problem is everything has to be under the phobia umbrella.
If somebody doesn’t believe in same sex marriage due to religious beliefs then they are classed as homophobic, could that mean that people that believe that statement are Christaphobic?
I am not trying to be glib, just trying to explain that I think throwing everything together under any phobic title sort of waters down the real issues people have to deal with.
This coming from an atheist who believes people have a right to believe in god if they so wish.

Saying things like Christophobia is like saying heterophobia with a straight face, neither exist because both are the majority in their fields. A majority can never truly be discriminated against because they are the majority.

The 'Phobia umbrella' comment only seeks to undermine the fact that these problems still exist. Is Ann not comfortable around gay people? Yes. Has she voted against gay rights in the past? Yes. She IS a homophobe, she may not be out there hunting down gays and executing them but she does have a homophobic attitude.

Religion ultimately isn't an excuse for bigotry, especially with something like Christianity since the bible is FULL of contradictions, you cannot realistically follow all it's teachings, you have to pick and choose and people who choose to believe that homosexuality is wrong yet don't see an issue with wearing different kinds of materials or eating shellfish should not be protected by their religion.

Religion comes under the umbrella of Free Speech, she's allowed to be homophobic as long as it doesn't transcend into hate preaching or violence and people are allowed to criticise her and the religion she uses to justify her beliefs as long as they abide by the same rules she does.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Saying things like Christophobia is like saying heterophobia with a straight face, neither exist because both are the majority in their fields. A majority can never truly be discriminated against because they are the majority.

The 'Phobia umbrella' comment only seeks to undermine the fact that these problems still exist. Is Ann not comfortable around gay people? Yes. Has she voted against gay rights in the past? Yes. She IS a homophobe, she may not be out there hunting down gays and executing them but she does have a homophobic attitude.

Religion ultimately isn't an excuse for bigotry, especially with something like Christianity since the bible is FULL of contradictions, you cannot realistically follow all it's teachings, you have to pick and choose and people who choose to believe that homosexuality is wrong yet don't see an issue with wearing different kinds of materials or eating shellfish should not be protected by their religion.

Religion comes under the umbrella of Free Speech, she's allowed to be homophobic as long as it doesn't transcend into hate preaching or violence and people are allowed to criticise her and the religion she uses to justify her beliefs as long as they abide by the same rules she does.

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

A genuine homophobic person wouldn't be so close to Amanda & Wayne !!! think before you throw accusations around .

Ann has her views , she's not going to change them to fit into a scared overly PC world where people are too frightened to express themselves, so they jump on the bandwagons instead .

She's a 70 year old who doesn't need to please people for the sake of it . She wouldn't give Shane J the time of day if she hated him/his sexuality , she has sat down and listened and had discussions .

If she was soo prejudice she wouldn't bother and she'd probably avoid Shane J all together . She even tried to be understanding with India .

internalized homophobia is a thing

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Adam.

You think TIBB care about women's rights?

well when it boils down no, makes a mockery of generally supporting female hms

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Saying things like Christophobia is like saying heterophobia with a straight face, neither exist because both are the majority in their fields. A majority can never truly be discriminated against because they are the majority.

The 'Phobia umbrella' comment only seeks to undermine the fact that these problems still exist. Is Ann not comfortable around gay people? Yes. Has she voted against gay rights in the past? Yes. She IS a homophobe, she may not be out there hunting down gays and executing them but she does have a homophobic attitude.

Religion ultimately isn't an excuse for bigotry, especially with something like Christianity since the bible is FULL of contradictions, you cannot realistically follow all it's teachings, you have to pick and choose and people who choose to believe that homosexuality is wrong yet don't see an issue with wearing different kinds of materials or eating shellfish should not be protected by their religion.

Religion comes under the umbrella of Free Speech, she's allowed to be homophobic as long as it doesn't transcend into hate preaching or violence and people are allowed to criticise her and the religion she uses to justify her beliefs as long as they abide by the same rules she does.

You sound like you have a phobia of majority's? It's ok if you have, because people can't help having phobias.

Maybe you should address your own phobia before lecturing others on theirs?

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Saying things like Christophobia is like saying heterophobia with a straight face, neither exist because both are the majority in their fields. A majority can never truly be discriminated against because they are the majority.

The 'Phobia umbrella' comment only seeks to undermine the fact that these problems still exist. Is Ann not comfortable around gay people? Yes. Has she voted against gay rights in the past? Yes. She IS a homophobe, she may not be out there hunting down gays and executing them but she does have a homophobic attitude.

Religion ultimately isn't an excuse for bigotry, especially with something like Christianity since the bible is FULL of contradictions, you cannot realistically follow all it's teachings, you have to pick and choose and people who choose to believe that homosexuality is wrong yet don't see an issue with wearing different kinds of materials or eating shellfish should not be protected by their religion.

Religion comes under the umbrella of Free Speech, she's allowed to be homophobic as long as it doesn't transcend into hate preaching or violence and people are allowed to criticise her and the religion she uses to justify her beliefs as long as they abide by the same rules she does.

well said

[Paula D]

Originally Posted by Adam.

You think TIBB care about women's rights?

No, that's true. Funny how homosexuals expect women to back them in everything they do but don't give the same loyalty back.

[Bones]

Originally Posted by montblanc

well said

brown noser.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Paula D

No, that's true. Funny how homosexuals expect women to back them in everything they do but don't give the same loyalty back.

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by Paula D

No, that's true. Funny how homosexuals expect women to back them in everything they do but don't give the same loyalty back.

did you REALLY just tar everyone 'homosexual' with the same brush? sheesh shame on you!

[reece(:]

If it was a younger HM doing it, they'd be pulled up and warned

[Alf]

Originally Posted by reece(:

If it was a younger HM doing it, they'd be pulled up and warned

Doing what?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by reece(:

If it was a younger HM doing it, they'd be pulled up and warned

No they wouldn't as she's said nothing wrong,all this fuss because she feels uncomfortable having those two thrusting about and talking dirty simply to piss her off , I am so glad it has backfired and Andrew has his cards marked.

[Lilac hills]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Saying things like Christophobia is like saying heterophobia with a straight face, neither exist because both are the majority in their fields. A majority can never truly be discriminated against because they are the majority.

The 'Phobia umbrella' comment only seeks to undermine the fact that these problems still exist. Is Ann not comfortable around gay people? Yes. Has she voted against gay rights in the past? Yes. She IS a homophobe, she may not be out there hunting down gays and executing them but she does have a homophobic attitude.

Religion ultimately isn't an excuse for bigotry, especially with something like Christianity since the bible is FULL of contradictions, you cannot realistically follow all it's teachings, you have to pick and choose and people who choose to believe that homosexuality is wrong yet don't see an issue with wearing different kinds of materials or eating shellfish should not be protected by their religion.

Religion comes under the umbrella of Free Speech, she's allowed to be homophobic as long as it doesn't transcend into hate preaching or violence and people are allowed to criticise her and the religion she uses to justify her beliefs as long as they abide by the same rules she does.

Lmao

[-Sue-]

Imagine if Bear had been in the house with Ann.. oooooooooooh!

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No they wouldn't as she's said nothing wrong,all this fuss because she feels uncomfortable having those two thrusting about and talking dirty simply to piss her off , I am so glad it has backfired and Andrew has his cards marked.

Oh so am I

[-Sue-]

I like andrews antics he and shane have made me chuckle lots this series (although also found the c bomb too much) I would have been angry too if someone had brought my family into a 'nomination' that was really a moment for 1 to 1 conversation.. which ann managed to do with ashley but in regards to andrew she just made it hugely public and awkward...

[-Sue-]

.. will i be sad to see andrew go? hmm not really i've had my fun

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

I like andrews antics he and shane have made me chuckle lots this series (although also found the c bomb too much) I would have been angry too if someone had brought my family into a 'nomination' that was really a moment for 1 to 1 conversation.. which ann managed to do with ashley but in regards to andrew she just made it hugely public and awkward...

It got Isabell the win so fingers crossed for Ann

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

It got Isabell the win so fingers crossed for Ann

OMG that thing that needed a wallpaper scraper to get off her fake tan! the oompah loompah! lol

I still have nightmares about that lol

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

I like andrews antics he and shane have made me chuckle lots this series (although also found the c bomb too much) I would have been angry too if someone had brought my family into a 'nomination' that was really a moment for 1 to 1 conversation.. which ann managed to do with ashley but in regards to andrew she just made it hugely public and awkward...

That's fine that you like filthy talk , disrespect to women , watching him having his arse waxed and duping his mate , upsetting your girlfriend and a guy who must stink like a chimney , and drops the C word to a lady , thankfully some of us are not entertained by it , hope he's out tonight

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

That's fine that you like filthy talk , disrespect to women , watching him having his arse waxed and duping his mate , upsetting your girlfriend and a guy who must stink like a chimney , and drops the C word to a lady , thankfully some of us are not entertained by it , hope he's out tonight

I prefer to watch nice people

[-Sue-]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

That's fine that you like filthy talk , disrespect to women , watching him having his arse waxed and duping his mate , upsetting your girlfriend and a guy who must stink like a chimney , and drops the C word to a lady , thankfully some of us are not entertained by it , hope he's out tonight

'(although also found the c bomb too much)' keep up kiddo

^^ said that in my post or did you skip that bit?

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

'(although also found the c bomb too much)' keep up kiddo

^^ said that in my post or did you skip that bit?

I read it ,you only found the C bomb too much, keep up have you been watching it? his breathing is too much.