[Kazanne]

I think we should take Amandas advice,ditch the labels ,live and let live,no one gender needs to be better than the other, we are all entitalled to our own views,we don't HAVE to like anyone,lets just as I said live and let live,it's not hard to do,all people should be toleratant ,not just a selective few.

[luvjustin]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I think we should take Amandas advice,ditch the labels ,live and let live,no one gender needs to be better than the other, we are all entitalled to our own views,we don't HAVE to like anyone,lets just as I said live and let live,it's not hard to do,all people should be toleratant ,not just a selective few.

Ah this argument. Ok.

This is usually the response when people are trying to stand up for the rights of a minority. Why can’t we all just have our own views? Why can’t we all have rights? What about the white man? Please.

The same response people (usually white people) have towards the “black lives matter” movement. Or “me too”.

Fighting for the rights of a minority group is not about making them special. It is about amking them equal.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Well he is entitled to his opinion and it seems to me many of the older generation of gays are much more tolerant of others views, which is an interesting turnaround in these days of open mindedness

Older gay people are probably more used to being discriminated against because of their sexuality so it's not as unusual a thing to happen for them as it is for younger people, if there's a general difference between the generations I'd say it's because of that rather than a difference in open mindedness. And it's because of a lot of older gay people fighting for equality and taking a stand against the kind of views Ann has that caused change, which wouldn't have happened if everyone had Biggins stance.

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I think we should take Amandas advice,ditch the labels ,live and let live,no one gender needs to be better than the other, we are all entitalled to our own views,we don't HAVE to like anyone,lets just as I said live and let live,it's not hard to do,all people should be toleratant ,not just a selective few.

I see 'live and let live' as sort of being a reason for equal rights activism and fighting peoples intolerance, not being the antithesis to it, in that everyone should just be able to live their lives and allow others to without persecution or different treatment because of something like sexuality. I'd say it's Ann who doesn't believe in 'live and let live'.
(I also don't understand how being against intolerance is itself an act of intolerance.)

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Older gay people are probably more used to being discriminated against because of their sexuality so it's not as unusual a thing to happen for them as it is for younger people, if there's a general difference between the generations I'd say it's because of that rather than a difference in open mindedness. And it's because of a lot of older gay people fighting for equality and taking a stand against the kind of views Ann has that caused change, which wouldn't have happened if everyone had Biggins stance.



I see 'live and let live' as sort of being a reason for equal rights activism and fighting peoples intolerance, not being the antithesis to it, in that everyone should just be able to live their lives and allow others to without persecution or different treatment because of something like sexuality. I'd say it's Ann who doesn't believe in 'live and let live'.
(I also don't understand how being against intolerance is itself an act of intolerance.)

Ann said herself what two people do in private is entirely up to them,so I'de say that is 'live and let live'

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Ann said herself what two people do in private is entirely up to them,so I'de say that is 'live and let live'

Gay people being confined to their houses isn't live and let live though If they can't have the same rights and treatment as straight people in private and in public. Saying 'you can be gay but only in private' just doesn't make any sense to me at all... what does it even mean? And what does it have to do with the denial of equal rights? It honestly just sounds like a euphemism for sex.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

all people should be toleratant ,not just a selective few.

Originally Posted by Jamie89

(I also don't understand how being against intolerance is itself an act of intolerance.)

Karl Popper's paradox of tolerance in action