[montblanc]

Originally Posted by Marches

Ann didn’t win those votes and she hasn’t brought them up in the house, they’re not legal. Funnily enough I find those who didn’t bring it up 24/7 to be decent people when hounding someone like that won’t acomplish anything. Keep in mind Shane j is fully aware of this he’s just trying to push a malicious agenda against a not malicious person with some quite obtuse views that she hasn’t forced down anyone’s throats

it doesn't matter if they didn't win she still voted for them and Ann hasn't been a saint in there either. Ann makes snide comments, faces, rolls her eyes, etc. at anything that coincidently have to do with the LGBT or women. The moment with Wayne & Shane J. showcased that. She's continuously showing her disapproval towards people like Shane J. and he's just getting fed up of it.

[bots]

Originally Posted by montblanc

it doesn't matter if they didn't win she still voted for them and Ann hasn't been a saint in there either. Ann makes snide comments, faces, rolls her eyes, etc. at anything that coincidently have to do with the LGBT or women. The moment with Wayne & Shane J. showcased that. She's continuously showing her disapproval towards people like Shane J. and he's just getting fed up of it.

Are you familiar with the concept of democracy? People with opposing opinions vote and the majority wins the vote. What they were voting for then becomes law and EVERYONE abides by it. That doesn't mean everyone has to agree with it. Brexit was a very clear example.

Democracy encompasses all opinion ... Ann was part of that process, and a very valuable part too.

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Are you familiar with the concept of democracy? People with opposing opinions vote and the majority wins the vote. What they were voting for then becomes law and EVERYONE abides by it. That doesn't mean everyone has to agree with it. Brexit was a very clear example.

Democracy encompasses all opinion ... Ann was part of that process, and a very valuable part too.

how is this related to my post

[bots]

Originally Posted by montblanc

how is this related to my post

Originally Posted by montblanc

it doesn't matter if they didn't win she still voted for them and Ann hasn't been a saint in there either. Ann makes snide comments, faces, rolls her eyes, etc. at anything that coincidently have to do with the LGBT or women. The moment with Wayne & Shane J. showcased that. She's continuously showing her disapproval towards people like Shane J. and he's just getting fed up of it.

thats why, Ann was a democratically elected MP, she actually had the best attendance record of any MP while she was representing her constituency. Democracy does not revolve around everyone having the same opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and not to be hounded for holding it.

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

thats why, Ann was a democratically elected MP, she actually had the best attendance record of any MP while she was representing her constituency. Democracy does not revolve around everyone having the same opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and not to be hounded for holding it.

oh i think you misinterpreted my post. I wasn't saying that Ann doesn't have the right to her opinion/votes in the parliament, I was explaining why Shane J. would feel a type of way towards Ann because of her voting history.

[HBIC]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Are you familiar with the concept of democracy? People with opposing opinions vote and the majority wins the vote. What they were voting for then becomes law and EVERYONE abides by it. That doesn't mean everyone has to agree with it. Brexit was a very clear example.

Democracy encompasses all opinion ... Ann was part of that process, and a very valuable part too.

Um, no...a democracy is not exclusively majority rule like you describe

What you are describing is known as the "tyranny of the majority." Not a proper democracy.

Potentially, through tyranny of the majority, a disliked or unfavored ethnic, religious, political, social, or racial group may be deliberately targeted for oppression by the majority element acting through the democratic process

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

This is why everyone should take a political science class. So many people here don't even know what an actual democracy entails.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by HBIC

Um, no...a democracy is not exclusively majority rule like you describe

What you are describing is known as the "tyranny of the majority." Not a proper democracy.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

This is why everyone should take a political science class. So many people here don't even know what an actual democracy entails.

Democracy gives everyone the right to give opinion...if it comes to the vote the majority wins. You really can't get fairer than that.

[HBIC]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Democracy gives everyone the right to give opinion...if it comes to the vote the majority wins. You really can't get fairer than that.

Democracy is so much more than just “most votes = winner”

Did you read the wiki article I linked in my post?

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by montblanc

it doesn't matter if they didn't win she still voted for them and Ann hasn't been a saint in there either. Ann makes snide comments, faces, rolls her eyes, etc. at anything that coincidently have to do with the LGBT or women. The moment with Wayne & Shane J. showcased that. She's continuously showing her disapproval towards people like Shane J. and he's just getting fed up of it.

We take a lighter view, when Ann rolls her eyes or covers her face, we find it hilarious. In fact we wait for it, predict it, "Oh Ann's going to cover up in a minute" and when she does, we laugh.

Jess and Ashley laughed too. You cannot say Shane hasn't baited her into it either, then he laughs at the outcome.

Her demonstrations in the Diary Room are also funny, then the next minute, there she is doing the most ridiculous things.

Where is the sense of humour here. It is all angst, wringing of hands and a witch hunt, whilst Ann is having the time of her life.

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

We take a lighter view, when Ann rolls her eyes or covers her face, we find it hilarious. In fact we wait for it, predict it, "Oh Ann's going to cover up in a minute" and when she does, we laugh.

Jess and Ashley laughed too. You cannot say Shane hasn't baited her into it either, then he laughs at the outcome.

Her demonstrations in the Diary Room are also funny, then the next minute, there she is doing the most ridiculous things.

Where is the sense of humour here. It is all angst, wringing of hands and a witch hunt, whilst Ann is having the time of her life.

when someone has a background of voting against certain LGBT rights & then they roll their eyes, make faces, etc. at anything to do with the LGBT what makes you think the LGBT person wouldn't get offended? It's the context. And you can't use Jess or Ashley as examples because they aren't gay.

& it isn't about "having a sense of humor" because even though I strongly dislike Ann I can admit she has a lot of funny moments through out the series

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by montblanc

when someone has a background of voting against certain LGBT rights & then they roll their eyes, make faces, etc. at anything to do with the LGBT what makes you think the LGBT person wouldn't get offended? It's the context. And you can't use Jess or Ashley as examples because they aren't gay.

& it isn't about "having a sense of humor" because even though I strongly dislike Ann I can admit she has a lot of funny moments through out the series

She does this at nearly everything though, its not only LGBT stuff. Any human contact, any expression of love/emotion, any swearing (even light language), any mention of being drunk, any request from BB to do a task, any noise while she is wanting quiet, any innuendo...anything at all

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

She does this at nearly everything though, its not only LGBT stuff. Any human contact, any expression of love/emotion, any swearing (even light language), any mention of being drunk, any request from BB to do a task, any noise while she is wanting quiet, any innuendo...anything at all

I did read that she had a detained retina ,I wonder if that affects her facial expressions sometimes.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by montblanc

when someone has a background of voting against certain LGBT rights & then they roll their eyes, make faces, etc. at anything to do with the LGBT what makes you think the LGBT person wouldn't get offended? It's the context. And you can't use Jess or Ashley as examples because they aren't gay.

& it isn't about "having a sense of humor" because even though I strongly dislike Ann I can admit she has a lot of funny moments through out the series

Ann rolls her eyes at loud music ,what phobic is that or is it an "ist" And the last time i looked there was no law against rolling your eyes

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Ann rolls her eyes at loud music ,what phobic is that or is it an "ist" And the last time i looked there was no law against rolling your eyes

the context.

Ann rolling her eyes at loud music is different from rolling her eyes listening to a conversation between two gay men uplifting each other about their sexuality especially with her history in the parliament.

[Marches]

Originally Posted by montblanc

the context.

Ann rolling her eyes at loud music is different from rolling her eyes listening to a conversation between two gay men uplifting each other about their sexuality especially with her history in the parliament.

Not if she does it all the time

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by Marches

Not if she does it all the time

it'd be different if the conversation was a joke but it was pretty serious conversation. it doesn't take a genius to figure out that she was rolling her eyes at their conversation topic & it's not as if she rolls her eyes for fun either

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by montblanc

the context.

Ann rolling her eyes at loud music is different from rolling her eyes listening to a conversation between two gay men uplifting each other about their sexuality especially with her history in the parliament.

Exactly the same roll

[montblanc]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Exactly the same roll

ok we'll just agree to disagree i guess

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by montblanc

when someone has a background of voting against certain LGBT rights & then they roll their eyes, make faces, etc. at anything to do with the LGBT what makes you think the LGBT person wouldn't get offended? It's the context. And you can't use Jess or Ashley as examples because they aren't gay.

& it isn't about "having a sense of humor" because even though I strongly dislike Ann I can admit she has a lot of funny moments through out the series

Oh please, if it was a programme about Gay rights, LGBT or other serious issues you would be right.

But it is not, it is an entertainment show. So many just want to feel morally superior whilst not knowing the basics of why, how, what Ann's reasons were, just that they want to score antiquated points.

So what if you are right, slap on the back, well done, you have surely shown it to Ann, good for you, hurray, and millions more of plaudits for showing little old Ann just how magnanimous you are when bringing up her past, voting records, mariage status, sexual habits and the kitchen sink.

OK noted, understood, underlined, gold star, woohoo, does it change anything which hasn't already been changed? A big fat NO. Will Ann change her mind Another big fat NO, will it bother Ann, yet another big fat NO.


CBB is a television reality show, the theme is the Year of the Woman, not Gay Rights, LGBT agendas and one Drag act.

There were many housemates who haven't whined on and on for something which they have already received. Gays have got it, what's the problem?

No, Gays are seriously in jeopardy of looking like they cannot accept what they already have and will instigate a witch hunt after an elderly woman who broke no laws, served her constituents as a MP for years and voted for her religious beliefs.

I salute those posters who have said they are Gay but will not let Shane's rabble rousing on social media and LGBTs agendas stop them from leading a very full & happy life and would abhor what has been happening in their name.

One last point, those who attack Ann at every turn might be very surprised that life does not begin and end in what's in your pants. It is only a part of life and one which seems to consume those who presumably are sexually active anyway, what more do you want? Demand demand demand, is all I have read on here, you do as we say or you are this or that. No we are not, you can't make us it by name calling or labeling. Some of the childish posts on here are pitiful, just pitiful yet they think we will say, Yes of course you are right. What might happen is that Gays could face a backlash because of their demands.

They are not the biggest group in the population yet by anymeans, yet make the loudest noises. There is a thing called a silent majority which is happy to accommodate all people, races, orientations and opinions, but to push them too far by the sort of behaviour that has gone on recently could very well be to the detriment of everything achieved by those who worked so hard to achieve them over the years.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Oh please, if it was a programme about Gay rights, LGBT or other serious issues you would be right.

But it is not, it is an entertainment show. So many just want to feel morally superior whilst not knowing the basics of why, how, what Ann's reasons were, just that they want to score antiquated points.

So what if you are right, slap on the back, well done, you have surely shown it to Ann, good for you, hurray, and millions more of plaudits for showing little old Ann just how magnanimous you are when bringing up her past, voting records, mariage status, sexual habits and the kitchen sink.

OK noted, understood, underlined, gold star, woohoo, does it change anything which hasn't already been changed? A big fat NO. Will Ann change her mind Another big fat NO, will it bother Ann, yet another big fat NO.


CBB is a television reality show, the theme is the Year of the Woman, not Gay Rights, LGBT agendas and one Drag act.

There were many housemates who haven't whined on and on for something which they have already received. Gays have got it, what's the problem?

No, Gays are seriously in jeopardy of looking like they cannot accept what they already have and will instigate a witch hunt after an elderly woman who broke no laws, served her constituents as a MP for years and voted for her religious beliefs.

I salute those posters who have said they are Gay but will not let Shane's rabble rousing on social media and LGBTs agendas stop them from leading a very full & happy life and would abhor what has been happening in their name.

One last point, those who attack Ann at every turn might be very surprised that life does not begin and end in what's in your pants. It is only a part of life and one which seems to consume those who presumably are sexually active anyway, what more do you want? Demand demand demand, is all I have read on here, you do as we say or you are this or that. No we are not, you can't make us it by name calling or labeling. Some of the childish posts on here are pitiful, just pitiful yet they think we will say, Yes of course you are right. What might happen is that Gays could face a backlash because of their demands.

They are not the biggest group in the population yet by anymeans, yet make the loudest noises. There is a thing called a silent majority which is happy to accommodate all people, races, orientations and opinions, but to push them too far by the sort of behaviour that has gone on recently could very well be to the detriment of everything achieved by those who worked so hard to achieve them.

Amazing ... post of the day award to you my lovely

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Oh please, if it was a programme about Gay rights, LGBT or other serious issues you would be right.

But it is not, it is an entertainment show. So many just want to feel morally superior whilst not knowing the basics of why, how, what Ann's reasons were, just that they want to score antiquated points.

So what if you are right, slap on the back, well done, you have surely shown it to Ann, good for you, hurray, and millions more of plaudits for showing little old Ann just how magnanimous you are when bringing up her past, voting records, mariage status, sexual habits and the kitchen sink.

OK noted, understood, underlined, gold star, woohoo, does it change anything which hasn't already been changed? A big fat NO. Will Ann change her mind Another big fat NO, will it bother Ann, yet another big fat NO.


CBB is a television reality show, the theme is the Year of the Woman, not Gay Rights, LGBT agendas and one Drag act.

There were many housemates who haven't whined on and on for something which they have already received. Gays have got it, what's the problem?

No, Gays are seriously in jeopardy of looking like they cannot accept what they already have and will instigate a witch hunt after an elderly woman who broke no laws, served her constituents as a MP for years and voted for her religious beliefs.

I salute those posters who have said they are Gay but will not let Shane's rabble rousing on social media and LGBTs agendas stop them from leading a very full & happy life and would abhor what has been happening in their name.

One last point, those who attack Ann at every turn might be very surprised that life does not begin and end in what's in your pants. It is only a part of life and one which seems to consume those who presumably are sexually active anyway, what more do you want? Demand demand demand, is all I have read on here, you do as we say or you are this or that. No we are not, you can't make us it by name calling or labeling. Some of the childish posts on here are pitiful, just pitiful yet they think we will say, Yes of course you are right. What might happen is that Gays could face a backlash because of their demands.

They are not the biggest group in the population yet by anymeans, yet make the loudest noises. There is a thing called a silent majority which is happy to accommodate all people, races, orientations and opinions, but to push them too far by the sort of behaviour that has gone on recently could very well be to the detriment of everything achieved by those who worked so hard to achieve them over the years.

Post of the decade

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Oh please, if it was a programme about Gay rights, LGBT or other serious issues you would be right.


CBB is a television reality show, the theme is the Year of the Woman, not Gay Rights, LGBT agendas and one Drag act.

1/ this year's CBB is different, it has a theme and it is a serious theme
2/ the reason why there is not much discussion about women rights is because Ms Widdecombe shuts down any such discussions and others let her (her dominant and rigid personality rules the roost in the house)
3/ all women who went into the house with Ann were spouting in their VTs about feminism, equality etc. Sadly those who would have challenged her like Rachel or Maggie were eliminated, others, like the young ones decided not to upset Ann.
4/only Shane J dared to try and question Ann with predictable results. And since his life's work is lgbtq rights, that's the topic he raised. (I can just imagine the rage of some if he dared to speak for women)
5/his support outside is loud and proud because we, lgbtq, support our people trying to fight our corner.
There, the mystery solved.

If a drag queen wins the year of the woman then it will be not just thanks to Shane J, but also thanks to Ann.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

1/ this year's CBB is different, it has a theme and it is a serious theme
2/ the reason why there is not much discussion about women rights is because Ms Widdecombe shuts down any such discussions and others let her (her dominant and rigid personality rules the roost in the house)
3/ all women who went into the house with Ann were spouting in their VTs about feminism, equality etc. Sadly those who would have challenged her like Rachel or Maggie were eliminated, others, like the young ones decided not to upset Ann.
4/only Shane J dared to try and question Ann with predictable results. And since his life's work is lgbtq rights, that's the topic he raised. (I can just imagine the rage of some if he dared to speak for women)
5/his support outside is loud and proud because we, lgbtq, support our people trying to fight our corner.
There, the mystery solved.

If a drag queen wins the year of the woman then it will be not just thanks to Shane J, but also thanks to Ann.

I disagree, Ann is happy to discuss anything, Shane has said so. Ann would never shut down any discussion of women's rights. She does state that men and women are not the same in degrees of strength but they are in other ways which she fully endorses.

Why would anyone challenge Ann on a subject she agreed with them. Their way might not be her way but the underlying aims were exactly the same.

Shane has rabble roused and tried to cause Ann the most distress which he has failed totally at because all his housemates turned on him and nominated him.

Why does the LGBT brigade want to win by default instead of winning by honest and decent means. Why did Shane go in with info to harm Ann rather than being a housemate and winning on merit. In fact his actions are giving Ann a backing she might not have had if he had chosen to do such. Why you need to view this in such a competitive manner rattling the Gay banner when every other housemate is there only to be themselves. It is hardly a level playing field.

If a drag queen wins, which he should with the backing he has and the tactics deployed, then it is sad for all the women who work every day, bring up a family and enjoy actually being a woman 24/7, not when she wants to win a reality show.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

I disagree, Ann is happy to discuss anything, Shane has said so. Ann would never shut down any discussion of women's rights. She does state that men and women are not the same in degrees of strength but they are in other ways which she fully endorses.

Why would anyone challenge Ann on a subject she agreed with them. Their way might not be her way but the underlying aims were exactly the same.

Do you remember what Ann said about women equality? she thinks gender is unimportant and called it not equality but a tilted table. She is so close-minded she thinks just because she got ahead with men in parliament therefore all women should get on and stop moaning.
I can't believe you don't remember this and other things? Her view that women complaing about sex abuse in Hollywood knew what was involved? I can't be bothered to go through the whole list of things.

Shane has rabble roused and tried to cause Ann the most distress which he has failed totally at because all his housemates turned on him and nominated him.

Rabble-roused? More like stayed true to his convictions instead of appeasing granny Ann

Why does the LGBT brigade want to win by default instead of winning by honest and decent means. Why did Shane go in with info to harm Ann rather than being a housemate and winning on merit. In fact his actions are giving Ann a backing she might not have had if he had chosen to do such. Why you need to view this in such a competitive manner rattling the Gay banner when every other housemate is there only to be themselves. It is hardly a level playing field.

You don't need any "info" to harm Ann, she provides it herself as she hasn't changed her views since being in parliament and she is not shy to let you know them.
And any sensible person would try to find out who are the people they will ber living with for weeks on TV.
Shane is a campaigner, that's his whole life. That's who he is and he is being himself. You don't blame Wayne for prancing about all the time because he is a dancer? Or Amanda for hamming it up? Some people can't leave things that are their passion at the door.
Shane is not competitive, actually he is the opposite. The patience and moderation he has shown in there is amazing. Not many people would show such maturity. Many exiting housemates said so.
He is not rattling any banners, he is able to talk in respectful way to all of them. Geez, even Ann called him kind tonight.

If a drag queen wins, which he should with the backing he has and the tactics deployed, then it is sad for all the women who work every day, bring up a family and enjoy actually being a woman 24/7, not when she wants to win a reality show.

Shane was gracious to say tonight that he tought a woman should win, didn't he.
If CBB wanted to guarantee a female winner they should have been women only. When it started that's what I thought.
Since it is a popularity contest, even with one man in the mix there is always a chance that that man could win. That's not Shane's fault.