[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jet

Can you explain how its off topic to make comparisons between one possible future PM and another?

As for baiting, that came from you and others before there were any posts about Corbyn.

There wasn't any comparison though, people saw criticism of Moggs-Rees and then brought up Corbyn as a form of attack to take the thread off topic and probably get it closed.

If the situation was reversed the outcome would be the same. We often delete off topic and baiting comments, no one is exempt from that.

As for your baiting accusations, where did I bait anyone in that thread? Can you point it out for me?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

There wasn't any comparison though, people saw criticism of Moggs-Rees and then brought up Corbyn as a form of attack to take the thread off topic and probably get it closed.

If the situation was reversed the outcome would be the same. We often delete off topic and baiting comments, no one is exempt from that.

As for your baiting accusations, where did I bait anyone in that thread? Can you point it out for me?

Let's be accurate. Reese Mogg was being called scum and rancid and all sorts. I pointed out people would find that unacceptable if it were Corbyn. That is hardly any attack. It's fact.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Let's be accurate. Reese Mogg was being called scum and rancid and all sorts. I pointed out people would find that unacceptable if it were Corbyn. That is hardly any attack. It's fact.

People are allowed to call a public figure scum just like you are allowed to think that Jeremy Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser. Freedom of Speech works both ways.

People are also allowed to find things unacceptable and you and others could have argued why you believed it was unacceptable to call Moggs scum without dragging the thread off topic. It just came down to 'Oh, you don't like Rees-Moggs? WELL YOU LIKE CORBYN AND HE LOVES THE IRA!'

That's not productive.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

People are allowed to call a public figure scum just like you are allowed to think that Jeremy Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser. Freedom of Speech works both ways.

People are also allowed to find things unacceptable and you and others could have argued why you believed it was unacceptable to call Moggs scum without dragging the thread off topic. It just came down to 'Oh, you don't like Rees-Moggs? WELL YOU LIKE CORBYN AND HE LOVES THE IRA!'

That's not productive.

Well then delete the non - productive posts, including the non - productive ones like SCUM - (but you obviously think SCUM is productive.)
Why was Corbyn not allowed to be mentioned at all? Every reference to him was deleted.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jet

Well then delete the non - productive posts, including the non - productive ones like SCUM - (but you obviously think SCUM is productive.)
Why was Corbyn not allowed to be mentioned at all? Every reference to him was deleted.

My opinion is perfectly valid, I know you dislike other people's opinions but no amount of reaching is going to change the fact that I'm as every bit entitlted to call a politcian scum as you are to call another a terrorist sympathiser.

The Corbyn posts were deleted because, like I said before, they were mainly a way of attacking forum member's opinions by using someone you think they like. It's a topic about how a politician voted on in various issues and it got dragged into being another mud slinging match by the usual suspects.

Like I said before, if you had a problem with my terminology you could have argued against it without derailing the thread.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

My opinion is perfectly valid, I know you dislike other people's opinions but no amount of reaching is going to change the fact that I'm as every bit entitlted to call a politcian scum as you are to call another a terrorist sympathiser.

The Corbyn posts were deleted because, like I said before, they were mainly a way of attacking forum member's opinions by using someone you think they like. It's a topic about how a politician voted on in various issues and it got dragged into being another mud slinging match by the usual suspects.

Like I said before, if you had a problem with my terminology you could have argued against it without derailing the thread.

There you go again, baiting.
And if you had a problem with anyone's terminology you could have argued against it without getting posts deleted or agreeing with posts being deleted.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

People are allowed to call a public figure scum just like you are allowed to think that Jeremy Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser. Freedom of Speech works both ways.

People are also allowed to find things unacceptable and you and others could have argued why you believed it was unacceptable to call Moggs scum without dragging the thread off topic. It just came down to 'Oh, you don't like Rees-Moggs? WELL YOU LIKE CORBYN AND HE LOVES THE IRA!'

That's not productive.

Except that's not what I said at all is it? You just made that up.

[GoldHeart]

Whether you agree with politics or not,somebody has to run this country .
It's democracy . When the next election rolls around I think the Tories will get in AGAIN

I know some people don't bother voting ,but I don't like the attitude of "ohh well all MP'S are as bad as each other so I'm not voting" . Somebody still has to win , so you might as well vote for the best of a bad bunch and imo that option is Labour .

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Except that's not what I said at all is it? You just made that up.

That, my dear, was not a quote but an overall impression of the posts that were deleted.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That, my dear, was not a quote but an overall impression of the posts that were deleted.

An impression that was not true. And please don't patronise me.


Come on Dezzy answer jet’s question.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

There wasn't any comparison though, people saw criticism of Moggs-Rees and then brought up Corbyn as a form of attack to take the thread off topic and probably get it closed.

If the situation was reversed the outcome would be the same. We often delete off topic and baiting comments, no one is exempt from that.

As for your baiting accusations, where did I bait anyone in that thread? Can you point it out for me?

What is the difference between criticism of one and criticism of the other?
You baited and set the scene with your one word post SCUM - and others followed suit, which invites others to respond with if Moggs - Rees is scum, then what about Corbyn, also a possible future PM, and here are the reasons why.
I can't believe you innocently thought your one word response wouldn't invite any comparsion to Corbyn - and those posts were no worse than your word 'SCUM'. I suppose it depends on who is doing the baiting...and I think its ridiculous that all references to Corbyn were deleted, especially so soon into a thread. The rules are all over the place on this forum these days.
I've never seen even the mention of a name to be deleted from a thread before every time it appears. I guess a precedent is now set. It works both ways.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jet

What is the difference between criticism of one and criticism of the other?
You baited and set the scene with your one word post SCUM - and others followed suit, which invites others to respond with if Moggs - Rees is scum, then what about Corbyn, also a possible future PM, and here are the reasons why.
I can't believe you innocently thought your one word response wouldn't invite any comparsion to Corbyn - and those posts were no worse than your word 'SCUM'. I suppose it depends on who is doing the baiting...and I think its ridiculous that all references to Corbyn were deleted, especially so soon into a thread. The rules are all over the place on this forum these days.
I've never seen even the mention of a name to be deleted from a thread before every time it appears. I guess a precedent is now set. It works both ways.

That's not baiting, that's my opinion, he is scum and I explained why I thought that later in the topic. If you can't accept that and decided to help in taking the thread off topic then that's your problem.

You can't just brand opinions you dislike as baiting. If you disliked me calling him scum then you should have argued the point without trying to derail the topic into another Corbyn topic when he didn't have any relevance to the topic.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That's not baiting, that's my opinion, he is scum and I explained why I thought that later in the topic. If you can't accept that and decided to help in taking the thread off topic then that's your problem.

You can't just brand opinions you dislike as baiting. If you disliked me calling him scum then you should have argued the point without trying to derail the topic into another Corbyn topic when he didn't have any relevance to the topic.

That's fine, if the opinions on Corbyn were also allowed, which they weren't.

Of course he had relevance. The discussion of a possible future PM is always going to produce a comparison to another possible future PM especially when the one in question is being called scum and other denigrating names. This IS a discussion forum with human beings posting in it, isn't it?
So in future, the rules are that if a politician or party is being discussed in a critical way, it isn't allowed to bring another into it for comparison purposes as they have no relevance, is that right?

[jet]

I'm glad I don't live in the UK and have to decide. I wouldn't vote for either at present.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by jet

I'm glad I don't live in the UK and have to decide. I wouldn't vote for either at present.

Therein lays my problem.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jet

What is the difference between criticism of one and criticism of the other?
You baited and set the scene with your one word post SCUM - and others followed suit, which invites others to respond with if Moggs - Rees is scum, then what about Corbyn, also a possible future PM, and here are the reasons why.
I can't believe you innocently thought your one word response wouldn't invite any comparsion to Corbyn - and those posts were no worse than your word 'SCUM'. I suppose it depends on who is doing the baiting...and I think its ridiculous that all references to Corbyn were deleted, especially so soon into a thread. The rules are all over the place on this forum these days.
I've never seen even the mention of a name to be deleted from a thread before every time it appears. I guess a precedent is now set. It works both ways.

Spot on jet.