[Kizzy]

I don't agree with self ID as women, as female yes women no.
If the Labour stance differs from that then that is where we differ ideologically.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't agree with self ID as women, as female yes women no.
If the Labour stance differs from that then that is where we differ ideologically.

How is that not just semantics?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

How is that not just semantics?

pardon?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't agree with self ID as women, as female yes women no.
If the Labour stance differs from that then that is where we differ ideologically.

I don't understand this at all?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't understand this at all?

I have no issue with people transitioning from male to female or from female to male.
I don't however feel that it is possible to 'become' a woman or a man due to socialisation factors. So this would rule out for me transitioned peoples sitting in roles specifically reserved for men/women.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I have no issue with people transitioning from male to female or from female to male.
I don't however feel that it is possible to 'become' a woman or a man due to socialisation factors. So this would rule out for me transitioned peoples sitting in roles specifically reserved for men/women.

Ah right, that makes more sense.

I have no issue with people transitioning either

But this is not about transitioned people anyway. Its about any person simply declaring they are the opposite sex and that being accepted, when its clearly false.

If Labours definition of a woman is 'anyone who says they are a woman' this is very very problematic.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Ah right, that makes more sense.

I have no issue with people transitioning either

But this is not about transitioned people anyway. Its about any person simply declaring they are the opposite sex and that being accepted, when its clearly false.

If Labours definition of a woman is 'anyone who says they are a woman' this is very very problematic.

It is, very problematic and very wrong.

[Cherry Christmas]

Politics in the UK is a mess, there is no party that represents me and I believe it is the same for many, we don't have a choice it's left or right and that's it, the liberals are not to be trusted as they will cosy up with whichever side gets into power if they have a sniff at being in coalition, I have been mocked on here previously for being a centrist but that is the place to be.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Politics in the UK is a mess, there is no party that represents me and I believe it is the same for many, we don't have a choice it's left or right and that's it, the liberals are not to be trusted as they will cosy up with whichever side gets into power if they have a sniff at being in coalition, I have been mocked on here previously for being a centrist but that is the place to be.

Welcome to my world

[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Politics in the UK is a mess, there is no party that represents me and I believe it is the same for many, we don't have a choice it's left or right and that's it, the liberals are not to be trusted as they will cosy up with whichever side gets into power if they have a sniff at being in coalition, I have been mocked on here previously for being a centrist but that is the place to be.

To be honest I was happiest during the Tony Blair years and just wish he wasn't so tarnished by the Iraq War. I hate Brexit and he'd have been a brilliant leader for the anti-Brexit cause but alas he's poison to most.

I do think Corbyn would be good for the UK but it's his age that's against him now. I loath the privatisation of national assets and any government that would renationalise utilities and Railways gets my vote.