[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I find all this stuff really interesting, I got really interested in alternative dimension theories a while back and this sort of ties in with that I think, but personally I'm not convinced. I sort of came to the conclusion that I don't believe alternative dimensions can exist (or 1st/2nd/4th/5th etc dimensions), although I'm still open minded to it all. But I get the impression from what he's saying that you have to buy into that (although I've only had a quick read and I'm not going to pretend to understand it all )
I actually think concepts such as origin of time are things that are possibly beyond our understanding, like we're just not built to be able to understand it rather than it being something that we need to discover more about like with things involving physics. It's similar to how an ant could walk across an ipad, and understand that there is an object there, but have no comprehension of what it's function is and wouldn't understand even if someone/something were able to communicate it to the ant, we see that other creatures have limited understanding of things and see there world in ways that are unique to them and I think the same is probably true of us and there are many things we observe in the world that are beyond our potential for understanding, and the concept of time I think is one of them. I'm not sure if I'm making sense because I'm rushing but yeah it's very interesting and it's really impressive how he thinks about things. I'll read more about it when I have time ( )

I get what you’re saying.I’ve looked a little into it too but it’s mind boggling.
I think it’s possible that there are other dimensions.Many people think that space-time is the fourth dimension.
Like you say though.We can only perceive three dimensions.Like if you dropped a cube down into a 2D world then to the inhabitants it’d just be a square.

We need Quantum computers and AI to figure this stuff out.Oh a Stephen Hawking.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I get what you’re saying.I’ve looked a little into it too but it’s mind boggling.
I think it’s possible that there are other dimensions.Many people think that space-time is the fourth dimension.
Like you say though.We can only perceive three dimensions.Like if you dropped a cube down into a 2D world then to the inhabitants it’d just be a square.

We need Quantum computers and AI to figure this stuff out.Oh a Stephen Hawking.

Yeah there's loads of different views on the 4th dimension, and I haven't really looked much into the space-time stuff, it's mainly the 'tesseract' type theories that I've read about, like the 4th dimension just being an expansion of the 3rd in a similar way to the 3rd being an expansion of the 2nd. There's a really interesting theory that's basically we exist within the 4th dimension but we're unable to have any perception of it, just as the 2nd dimension can't have any perception of us, because each dimension can only view the one beneath it. For example we view the world in 2 dimensions (and are just able to perceive 3 dimensions because of lighting/depth perception etc), and within a 2nd dimension any inhabitants would only be able to view things in 1 dimension (and then have a perception of their 2nd dimension from that). So a 4th dimensional being in our world would not only not be visible to us in the way it actually exists, but it would be able to see the world in true 3D, ie. view all around objects and from all different angles and see through them as well, all at the same time, from multiple different points in space. And objects would appear completely differently to how we see them, just as like you said our cube would appear completely differently to how it would to a 2nd dimensional being. And then you keep going up to higher and higher dimensions and realise our perception of the world might not even be close to how it really exists. It's fascinating to think about (even if I'm not convinced of it all).

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Yeah there's loads of different views on the 4th dimension, and I haven't really looked much into the space-time stuff, it's mainly the 'tesseract' type theories that I've read about, like the 4th dimension just being an expansion of the 3rd in a similar way to the 3rd being an expansion of the 2nd. There's a really interesting theory that's basically we exist within the 4th dimension but we're unable to have any perception of it, just as the 2nd dimension can't have any perception of us, because each dimension can only view the one beneath it. For example we view the world in 2 dimensions (and are just able to perceive 3 dimensions because of lighting/depth perception etc), and within a 2nd dimension any inhabitants would only be able to view things in 1 dimension (and then have a perception of their 2nd dimension from that). So a 4th dimensional being in our world would not only not be visible to us in the way it actually exists, but it would be able to see the world in true 3D, ie. view all around objects and from all different angles and see through them as well, all at the same time, from multiple different points in space. And objects would appear completely differently to how we see them, just as like you said our cube would appear completely differently to how it would to a 2nd dimensional being. And then you keep going up to higher and higher dimensions and realise our perception of the world might not even be close to how it really exists. It's fascinating to think about (even if I'm not convinced of it all).

This actually gave me a huge headache then made me go into a very thoughtful state for a little where apparently I looked like I was in a trance

I absolutely love stuff like this, but it does not half mess my head up

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Yeah there's loads of different views on the 4th dimension, and I haven't really looked much into the space-time stuff, it's mainly the 'tesseract' type theories that I've read about, like the 4th dimension just being an expansion of the 3rd in a similar way to the 3rd being an expansion of the 2nd. There's a really interesting theory that's basically we exist within the 4th dimension but we're unable to have any perception of it, just as the 2nd dimension can't have any perception of us, because each dimension can only view the one beneath it. For example we view the world in 2 dimensions (and are just able to perceive 3 dimensions because of lighting/depth perception etc), and within a 2nd dimension any inhabitants would only be able to view things in 1 dimension (and then have a perception of their 2nd dimension from that). So a 4th dimensional being in our world would not only not be visible to us in the way it actually exists, but it would be able to see the world in true 3D, ie. view all around objects and from all different angles and see through them as well, all at the same time, from multiple different points in space. And objects would appear completely differently to how we see them, just as like you said our cube would appear completely differently to how it would to a 2nd dimensional being. And then you keep going up to higher and higher dimensions and realise our perception of the world might not even be close to how it really exists. It's fascinating to think about (even if I'm not convinced of it all).

That is fascinating and hard to imagine but just about possible to imagine in my current drunken state.
If you think that all us humans can perceive is the visible light spectrum and detect infrared and ultraviolet etc but who knows how much more there is that we can’t detect.
You never know.The multiple dimensions theory could be real.We’re limited by our limited senses.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

That is fascinating and hard to imagine but just about possible to imagine in my current drunken state.
If you think that all us humans can perceive is the visible light spectrum and detect infrared and ultraviolet etc but who knows how much more there is that we can’t detect.
You never know.The multiple dimensions theory could be real.We’re limited by our limited senses.

The perfect state of mind to absorb any physics discussion.