[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

We have a justice system that is rightly geared towards rehabilitation and reintegration rather than the death penalty or just locking people away until they die.

Because of the high profile and abhorrent nature of the initial offence, emotions are always understandably high, but yes, it is actually the correct course of action.

If he is released with his true identity, then he wouldn't last 24 hours without being killed. and a society that looks away while vigilante or mob justice is dished out (regardless of whether he deserves it or not), is not healthy society.

It’s exactly that kind of Woolley-headed thinking that helps create the high crime rates and increasing number of innocent victims. If people know they are in for a relative easy time if caught they are more likely to take the risk of offending. That’s not my idea of a healthy society!

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It’s exactly that kind of Woolley-headed thinking that helps create the high crime rates and increasing number of innocent victims. If people know they are in for a relative easy time if caught they are more likely to take the risk of offending. That’s not my idea of a healthy society!

Ive always said that prison in the uk is a better way if life than the life some illigal immigrants have desperatly had to escape from...therefore, committing crime once here, has hardly any downside!

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It’s exactly that kind of Woolley-headed thinking that helps create the high crime rates and increasing number of innocent victims. If people know they are in for a relative easy time if caught they are more likely to take the risk of offending. That’s not my idea of a healthy society!

That's just facile; people will commit crimes regardless of the penalties. You can either choose to accept that fact or not, but it doesn't change anything because you act tough on the internet.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

That's just facile; people will commit crimes regardless of the penalties. You can either choose to accept that fact or not, but it doesn't change anything because you act tough on the internet.

I doubt a bank robber in the uk would go robbing if the punishment was death...but then again the hatton mob basically did..

The punishments need to be more severe, **** human rights...the criminals dont care about them.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I doubt a bank robber in the uk would go robbing if the punishment was death...but then again the hatton mob basically did..

The punishments need to be more severe, **** human rights...the criminals dont care about them.

Think of the worst places to be in prison in the world, now realise those places are full of criminals who've committed serious crimes.

Are we now holding up the morality of criminals to dictate what our society should be like? The fact that we do (or should) care about human rights is what separates most of us from the criminals.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Think of the worst places to be in prison in the world, now realise those places are full of criminals who've committed serious crimes.

Are we now holding up the morality of criminals to dictate what our society should be like? The fact that we do (or should) care about human rights is what separates most of us from the criminals.

Its about time more thought was given to the victims human rights instead of focusing on the criminals...im all for human rights for people who deserve it..but the minute you disrespect anothers for your own gain or pleasure then why should the world suddenly revolve around you?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Its about time more thought was given to the victims human rights instead of focusing on the criminals...im all for human rights for people who deserve it..but the minute you disrespect anothers for your own gain or pleasure then why should the world suddenly revolve around you?

Hypothetical for you; we release him with his true identity, and within 5 hours he's murdered by Dave Smith (apologies if anyone on the forum is called Dave Smith). What happens to Dave Smith?

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Hypothetical for you; we release him with his true identity, and within 5 hours he's murdered by Dave Smith (apologies if anyone on the forum is called Dave Smith). What happens to Dave Smith?

Nothing, it wouldn't have happened cause he wouldn't have been released due to loss of his human rights.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Hypothetical for you; we release him with his true identity, and within 5 hours he's murdered by Dave Smith (apologies if anyone on the forum is called Dave Smith). What happens to Dave Smith?

He gets a medal and hero worshipped, he may do time and be prepared for it,he will not be hated that's for sure.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by parmnion

http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/editor/separator.gifIts about time more thought was given to the victims human rights instead of focusing on the criminals...im all for human rights for people who deserve it..but the minute you disrespect anothers for your own gain or pleasure then why should the world suddenly revolve around you?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

That's just facile; people will commit crimes regardless of the penalties. You can either choose to accept that fact or not, but it doesn't change anything because you act tough on the internet.

Believing we should prioritise the rights of future victims, including children, over those of the monsters that commit such crimes has nothing to do with ‘acting tough on the internet’.

Too much focus and concern is spent worrying about the rights of the perpetrators and not enough on the victims - and is not representative of a ‘caring society’. Victims first!!!

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Believing we should prioritise the rights of future victims, including children, over those of the monsters that commit such crimes has nothing to do with ‘acting tough on the internet’.

Too much focus and concern is spent worrying about the rights of the perpetrators and not enough on the victims - and is not representative of a ‘caring society’. Victims first!!!

I'm pretty sure he is not going to be just sent out to live next to a playground and forgotten about. It's not even about about his rights - he has fulfilled his debt to society as deemed fit by the courts. That's not my punishment (which would have been harsher), or your punishment, or even the punishment of his victim, but by the law.

We either have a rule of law or we don't, but when you talk about "future victims", then we're heading into thought crime territory.

I genuinely have no idea what the best thing to do is, however, if he is being released he shouldn't be released to be murdered.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

That's just facile; people will commit crimes regardless of the penalties. You can either choose to accept that fact or not, but it doesn't change anything because you act tough on the internet.

I did read somewhere that within five years of abolishing hanging in the UK the amount of murders doubled.