[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

An excellent civil debate by two decent politicians who have respect for each other

Yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxlEfDuus_U

The Telegraph Debate
done early today You Tube link

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nigel has stated that as Manifestos have proven over the years to be baseless lies he will not use that term, ever

Its a change in Politics - not the mess we have now

If you watch his interviews he explains this all very well


8.10

Youtube video

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Do we ever?

Do they stick to thier manifestos anyway!!..no.

Like I've said, I'm voting for them cause of what the big 2 have done...or not done as the case me be.


My choice, my vote...not that I'm voting though.

People who take the time to find out who they are voting for usually have a clear idea of what the politicians plans are. Even if it doesn't end up going that way, people should vote on policies and manifestos, not for something so shallow as a protest because supporting something you don't even know out of retaliation against another party is just ignorant. Go look up the history of protest votes and how well they turn out.

It's your choice but I can critique it as much as I please such is the wonder that is freedom of speech.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Nigel has stated that as Manifestos have proven over the years to be baseless lies he will not use that term, ever

Its a change in Politics - not the mess we have now

If you watch his interviews he explains this all very well


8.10

Youtube video

So he's just spouting inane bull**** hoping that the people who can't think for themselves basically go along with what he says although he has no policies, plans or anything useful to say.

What a grim time we live in that people are so willing to follow this conman despite the obvious signs because it doesn't benefit them to acknowledge the truth of him.

He's a useless rat that only aggravates situations for his own benefit and has a history of running away when a vote goes his way so he doesn't have to have a part in actually enacting what he pushed to bring forth.

He''s a man of words and nothing else. All he can do is rile people up and leave them stranded when he gets what he wants and people will blind themselves to that truth so willingly. What a grim present we live in.

[Liam-]

There are no manifestos, he gonna wait until he’s voted in to make his plans public, he’s using the anger of these people to make sure he gets in so he can do whatever he wants when he’s there, it’s a scary thought that people will blindly put someone into power without knowing what they’re gonna do with said power, it’s truly a new age in politics and not for the good.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Liam-

There are no manifestos, he gonna wait until he’s voted in to make his plans public, he’s using the anger of these people to make sure he gets in so he can do whatever he wants when he’s there, it’s a scary thought that people will blindly put someone into power without knowing what they’re gonna do with said power, it’s truly a new age in politics and not for the good.

america when they made donald trump president tea

[Twosugars]

A rat yup that label fits perfectly

[Crimson Dynamo]

Personal insults to Nigel and calling the British people who vote for him names?

As Nigel says, it's that unpleasantness that had made him the success he is today.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Personal insults to Nigel and calling the British people who vote for him names?

As Nigel says, it's that unpleasantness that had made him the success he is today.

omg him saying that, the delusion stench

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Personal insults to Nigel and calling the British people who vote for him names?

As Nigel says, it's that unpleasantness that had made him the success he is today.

More pearl clutching and avoiding the fact that you don't know what you are voting for.

Nigel Farage is successful because people are willing to vote in ignorance which is proven given the support that the Brexit Party has despite not sharing any policies on anything.

People are literally voting for nothing when they vote for that party.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Personal insults to Nigel and calling the British people who vote for him names?

As Nigel says, it's that unpleasantness that had made him the success he is today.

Life is too short to indulge arseholes

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think I am right in saying over 100, 000 people have joined at 25 pounds a time. Via PayPal. It's an amazing commitment and achievement. Remarkable given the state of English mainstream politics

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I think I am right in saying over 100, 000 people have joined at 25 pounds a time. Via PayPal. It's an amazing commitment and achievement. Remarkable given the state of English mainstream politics

Not to mention foreign donations being investigated as we speak.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I think I am right in saying over 100, 000 people have joined at 25 pounds a time. Via PayPal. It's an amazing commitment and achievement. Remarkable given the state of English mainstream politics

There's a lot of gullible people that are easily conned out there.

If a party is unwilling to detail it's policies or release a manifesto than any support for it will always be uninformed since you can't make informed decisions on things you don't know.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Brexit party will present a “full slate” of policy ideas once next week’s European elections are over, Nigel Farage has pledged, as he ramped up his attacks on the BBC following a bad-tempered television interview on Sunday.

Addressing a party rally in West Yorkshire, Farage said that up until the European elections, where his party leads in the polls, he would talk only about Brexit-related matters.


From the guardian, surprised you chaps have missed this tbh

[Liam-]

So they’ll only reveal what they’re going to do once they’re elected, after they’ve been elected, so the people who are voting for them, are doing so without knowledge of what they’re going to do, it’s literally voting based on ignorance

[Crimson Dynamo]

The party are dealing with tomorrow first, it's a bizarre situation we should not have been in thanksto the current political mess. This is a chance to change that.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The Brexit party will present a “full slate” of policy ideas once next week’s European elections are over, Nigel Farage has pledged, as he ramped up his attacks on the BBC following a bad-tempered television interview on Sunday.

Addressing a party rally in West Yorkshire, Farage said that up until the European elections, where his party leads in the polls, he would talk only about Brexit-related matters.


From the guardian, surprised you chaps have missed this tbh

Missed what? Excuses?

They have no policies because it's nothing more than a shallow excuse for publicity. They don't have plans or policies or anything because this is all just an attention grab by Nigel Farage.

Anybody that goes along with a party unwilling to state their intentions and policies until after an election should probably be used to getting scammed because that's what this is.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The party are dealing with tomorrow first, it's a bizarre situation we should not have been in thanksto the current political mess. This is a chance to change that.

Nah, it's only a chance for the public to prove how uninformed they are for voting for a party with no policies or manifestos.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well I'm afraid your predictions about Trump all fell by the wayside so I can't put too much stead inwhast you say about Nigel and his ground breaking new party.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Well I'm afraid your predictions about Trump all fell by the wayside so I can't put too much stead inwhast you say about Nigel and his ground breaking new party.

I'll take your deflecting for what it is, you throwing in the towel because you can't form a counterargument against what I'm saying.

Also I wasn't wrong about Trump, he's a crook that's flailing to hold onto power like you're flailing to find a point.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Well I'm afraid your predictions about Trump all fell by the wayside so I can't put too much stead inwhast you say about Nigel and his ground breaking new party.

what gave an idea that trump is some sort of success?
you can't polish that turd no matter how hard you try

[Nicky91]

exactly, it does just seem very logical the average voter wants to be well informed what they are voting for


people simply cannot vote based on promises and hopes

[Crimson Dynamo]

He has reduced racism in America. I think we can all hail that as a success?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

He has reduced racism in America. I think we can all hail that as a success?

Nice spin there, buddy. I like how you use a dubious study to ignore all the criminal acts and all the ways he ****ed up as president but this topic isn't about the soon to be ex president.

It's about the human/rat hybrid that's currently conning a bunch of gullible people into voting for him with no known policies or manifestos in place.

[chuff me dizzy]

Wow what a brilliant night for the Brexit party and an embarrassing night for Labour

[Beso]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

He has reduced racism in America. I think we can all hail that as a success?

Some people obviously don't want to see that LT..maybe it upsets them that racism is going down.