[user104658]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

If you keep telling someone you want to make contact with them...I call that reaching out ....what do you call it?

If you tell someone you want to make contact with them, that's reaching out.

If you KEEP TELLING THEM that you want to make contact, when you know that they already know that and have not been receptive, and you repeatedly do it publicly ... ? I call that harassment.

[jet]

I'll repeat what I said 18 months ago on this thread as my opinion hasn't changed:

I don’t support him giving interviews; I have never said I agree with what he is doing. I was laying out how the estrangement by all accounts is said to have happened. The reasons she turned her back on him initially weren't that terrible, especially as she had neglected him at a time when he was all at sea and given no protection to deal with the huge impact of what was happening, and not even shown the respect of meeting Harry.
I don’t know how any adult could ignore their father’s heart surgery. She should have been over there as soon after the wedding as possible to visit him, but she didn’t even ask him how it went or indeed inquire after his health at all subsequently. How could anyone think that was fine? Instead Harry berated him while lying in his hospital bed. Disgusting.

Mr. Markle strikes me as desperate, angry, confused, sad, frustrated and probably in need of money to pay for his ongoing poor health issues. Meghan strikes me as cold, unforgiving, shallow, self - absorbed, fame hungry, and a serious grudge holder.
She has a history of discarding people when they are no longer of use to her. Her former friends before Suits (all her ‘friends’ now are rich and/or famous), her extended families, her former husband who was discarded in a cruel way (and who was the one who got her acting roles to begin with), and now the royal family. When there is a pattern, there is a big red flag. I just don’t think she is a nice person, period.

[user104658]

Mr. Markle strikes me as desperate, angry, confused, sad, frustrated

His own fault

and probably in need of money to pay for his ongoing poor health issues.

The fault of his country's healthcare systems.



... ... why is everyone so keen to assign blame to his daughter? Unimaginable really.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

His own fault



The fault of his country's healthcare systems.



... ... why is everyone so keen to assign blame to his daughter? Unimaginable really.

They are both at fault but she moreso, imo. I see you have ignored those parts of my post that refer to Meghan's actions.
Do you assign no blame to Meghan? If you do, what?

[jet]

Mr Markle was silent for 8 months in the hope she would contact him, and nada. He is playing right into her hands by continuing to do interviews, as it suits her to have her father trashed as she loves playing the victim and having her fans all up in arms and being hypocrites just for her.
(“Oh, I hate the media and I hate what my Dad did, but it’s fine for me to do the same thing”).
Otherwise why hasn’t she nipped this in the bud a long time ago and went to see him to tell him how she felt and get his side along with the husband he was never introduced to….and why has she cut off ALL members of her extended families?
By all accounts she doted on her father until she met Harry, there is not one thing out there that says otherwise. It was within Meghan’s power to put a stop to the spectacle and she should have long ago, if she had any love at all for the man who did so much for her. After all, as cringeworthy as it all is, he is only asking to see her and his grandchildren now and then, he’s not asking to live with her.
There are red flags all over the place with Meghan and it is odd in the extreme that some pretend not to see them.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

Mr Markle was silent for 8 months in the hope she would contact him, and nada. He is playing right into her hands by continuing to do interviews, as it suits her to have her father trashed as she loves playing the victim and having her fans all up in arms and being hypocrites just for her.
(“Oh, I hate the media and I hate what my Dad did, but it’s fine for me to do the same thing”).
Otherwise why hasn’t she nipped this in the bud a long time ago and went to see him to tell him how she felt and get his side along with the husband he was never introduced to….and why has she cut off ALL members of her extended families?
By all accounts she doted on her father until she met Harry, there is not one thing out there that says otherwise. It was within Meghan’s power to put a stop to the spectacle and she should have long ago, if she had any love at all for the man who did so much for her. After all, as cringeworthy as it all is, he is only asking to see her and his grandchildren now and then, he’s not asking to live with her.
There are red flags all over the place with Meghan and it is odd in the extreme that some pretend not to see them.

Again though, no one has any idea about the ins and outs of their family history (nor anyone elses) ... that's just how it is with families, surely? Skeletons in the closet and nothing is as it seems from the outside. So why try to "guess"?

I mean... even if your suspicions are right and she is just "not a nice person", that's really just more proof for the above and not less. How do you think "not nice people" come to be that? They don't spring up out of the ground like Orcs... they are generally products of their family circumstances.

[bots]

also, why would someone desperately insist on the right to speak to someone who is "not a nice person" .... it doesn't add up which ever way you look at it

you are a **** ... i insist on speaking to you

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

Do you assign no blame to Meghan? If you do, what?

Do I assign any blame to Meghan (or anyone else) for her father's emotional state as a "desperate, angry, confused, sad, frustrated" person ... or for him needing money to fund care for healthcare issues?

No, that would be ludicrous, his self-care and self-worth are entirely his own responsibility and if he's dependent on his daughter for validation well ... it's therapy he needs before anything else. That sort of dependence isn't healthy in any way.

And as for the healthcare stuff no obviously not, but that's a completely different debate, it's not his fault either that most of the world can't offer decent healthcare without a hefty price tag. That's just a genuinely sad situation.

[jet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

also, why would someone desperately insist on the right to speak to someone who is "not a nice person" .... it doesn't add up which ever way you look at it

you are a **** ... i insist on speaking to you

He said she changed when she met Harry, but she's still his daughter. Parents can still love a daughter they doted on while thinking they are not particularly 'nice' nowadays.

[bots]

Originally Posted by jet

He said she changed when she met Harry, but she's still his daughter. Parents can still love a daughter they doted on while thinking they are not particularly 'nice' nowadays.

and loving them means to respect their wishes and be there if they need you ... not demanding like him

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by jet

He said she changed when she met Harry, but she's still his daughter. Parents can still love a daughter they doted on while thinking they are not particularly 'nice' nowadays.

It's almost like marrying into royalty would add immense pressure to a person and their public image and having blabbermouth relatives looking to cash in on your name would become less than ideal.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Do I assign any blame to Meghan (or anyone else) for her father's emotional state as a "desperate, angry, confused, sad, frustrated" person ... or for him needing money to fund care for healthcare issues?

No, that would be ludicrous, his self-care and self-worth are entirely his own responsibility and if he's dependent on his daughter for validation well ... it's therapy he needs before anything else. That sort of dependence isn't healthy in any way.

And as for the healthcare stuff no obviously not, but that's a completely different debate, it's not his fault either that most of the world can't offer decent healthcare without a hefty price tag. That's just a genuinely sad situation.

Nobody has said he is dependent on his daugher for validation; but according to you, Mr. Markle should be able to just flick a switch and turn any feelings of confusion, anger or frustration off like superhuman you obviously could do.
And his multi millionaire daughter shouldn’t even consider helping her ailing 77 yr old father with medical bills. Even though he worked his butt off to send the daughter he loved so much to the very best schools and put her through an expensive uni to get her the education she is benefiting from today, he can just die sooner rather than later, why should she care, nothing to do with her. Nice.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Her career is in the best place it as ever been, they go from achievement to achievement... nothing has blown up in her face. Delusion and wishful thinking isn't getting the haters anywhere.

OK...

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

You got nothing to add as usual only childish jokers

[jet]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

It's almost like marrying into royalty would add immense pressure to a person and their public image and having blabbermouth relatives looking to cash in on your name would become less than ideal.

Almost like marrying into royalty and discarding all family and former friends because they aren’t good enough any more. Roll up Oprah, the Beckhams and the Clooney’s...

[jet]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Her career is in the best place it as ever been, they go from achievement to achievement... nothing has blown up in her face. Delusion and wishful thinking isn't getting the haters anywhere.

What achievements? They are being offered deals and money off the back of the royal family, not on their own merit. I haven't seen one thing of any substance so far in nearly 2 years.

[jet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

and loving them means to respect their wishes and be there if they need you ... not demanding like him

He was always there when she needed him, the expensive education, the car, the apartment, the days out in his jeep, the teaching her how to fish, the loving advice. She no longer needs him because he's old and he isn't perfect and he's thrown onto the rubbish heap along with a lot of other people she has no more use for.

[bots]

Originally Posted by jet

He was always there when she needed him, the expensive education, the car, the apartment, the days out in his jeep, the teaching her how to fish, the loving advice. She no longer needs him because he's old and he isn't perfect and he's thrown onto the rubbish heap along with a lot of other people she has no more use for.

plenty parents help their kids in life and dont get or expect anything for it and that includes that they must keep in touch with them, because that is the persons choice

I dont like Harry or Meghan, but I won't take the side of someone else because they are in confrontation with them like so many seem to be doing in this thread. If this person wasn't being critical of Meghan he would be laughed off the forum by everyone

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You got nothing to add as usual only childish jokers

You blamed her scrounging scum father cashing in on her name because she married Harry. What you said was hilarious and irrational

[AnnieK]

Meghan has claimed in Court documents that she has helped financially over the years until the relationship broke down, her education was funded in part by her father, in part by her mother and from grants and scholarships. Her father won and then subsequently lost a great deal of money in a lottery win and used some of that money on her education but also spent some on his son and daughter. There does come a time when parent's and children can only do so much to support their families and people have to stand on their own two feet. Who knows the real story Doubt we will ever know.

[jet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

plenty parents help their kids in life and dont get or expect anything for it and that includes that they must keep in touch with them, because that is the persons choice

I dont like Harry or Meghan, but I won't take the side of someone else because they are in confrontation with them like so many seem to be doing in this thread. If this person wasn't being critical of Meghan he would be laughed off the forum by everyone

They wouldn't be laughed off by me, no matter who the ailing father and multi millionaire daugher was. I think its horrific that Meghan isn't making sure her ailing father gets all the medical care he needs - that is the main reason I dislike her so much (among others of course). He shouldn't have to 'expect' anything, it should be done, end of.
Respecting what my parents have done for me and giving back has always been a priority for me. My own kids are so good to us and we're not perfect. Taking and not giving back to anyone is not something I can brush off.
It's just a 'thing' for me.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by jet

What achievements? They are being offered deals and money off the back of the royal family, not on their own merit. I haven't seen one thing of any substance so far in nearly 2 years.

Take that issue up with the rest of the family you enjoy giving a good rimming.

[jet]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Meghan has claimed in Court documents that she has helped financially over the years until the relationship broke down, her education was funded in part by her father, in part by her mother and from grants and scholarships. Her father won and then subsequently lost a great deal of money in a lottery win and used some of that money on her education but also spent some on his son and daughter. There does come a time when parent's and children can only do so much to support their families and people have to stand on their own two feet. Who knows the real story Doubt we will ever know.

I have never heard of of that ....and her father claims he has documents and bank statements that prove that he funded her education after she was filmed telling a group of students that she had to work and get grants to get through college. Remember the half sister Sam nearly having apoplexy in an interview when someone told her that Meghan had said that?
Meghan said in her Tig blog that she owed everything to her 'wonderful Dad'....and of course he is going to also help his other daughter and son.
Whatever the truth, she should help her father with his healthcare. No excuses for not doing so.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Take that issue up with the rest of the family you enjoy giving a good rimming.

You are so crude.
You obviously have no idea what the royal family do and all their fantastic achievements.
The latest is William's Earthshot initiative, on TV the other night. Harry and Meghan should watch it and see how these things are done.

[Glenn.]