[Ammi]

Five important laws that could be dropped due to Sunak's snap election…

Tobacco and Vapes Bill

Criminal Justice Bill

Sentencing Bill

Football Governance Bill

Renters Reform Bill

…full article…
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/general-el...152717777.html

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I personally don't like Starmer, personally I was more of an Ed Miliband guy out of the recent Labour leaders.

However Starmer can't get away with being a full blown Tory, because his backbenchers will have something to say about that if he were to try.

Absolutely right
If Starmer was more Tory I'd not be voting for Labour.
I know that's nonsense however that he is.
I even think he could surprise positively as PM if Labour wins this election.

Ed Miliband was okay, I did and do like him.
It's good he's part of Starmer's team.

His mistakes however were 2 howlers.

In the Independence referendum in Scotland, he made a massive error in standing on a platform surrounded by Cameron and Clegg.
Scotland had supported Labour solidly and warranted a more independent view of the issue from Labour.
Not seeing Miliband like Cameron's and Clegg's poodle on it

Plus he too should have promised a referendum on the EU.
I think he'd have saved hoards of previous votes had he done those 2 things better.

[arista]

Starmer now Live


In Glasgow he has a Tie on
for the Rough Scotts


SkyNewsHD

[arista]

He was told
Corbyn is running

Starmer says, he will have a Labour Canditate
there.

Lets See him or her Tubby Starmer

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Five important laws that could be dropped due to Sunak's snap election…

Tobacco and Vapes Bill

Criminal Justice Bill

Sentencing Bill

Football Governance Bill

Renters Reform Bill

…full article…
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/general-el...152717777.html

Yes Ammi no time to fit it in

Labour is to do the Smoking one

Many are angry that no Renters Reform has been done

[arista]

Sunak PM
now in Northern Ireland.

No Labour standing there

[Crimson Dynamo]

NEW 2024 UK polling

Who would make best prime minister?
Keir Starmer 34%
Rishi Sunak 19%
Don't know 47%

Who do you trust to manage economy?
Lab 35%
Con 19%
DK 46%

Who do you trust to manage NHS?
Lab 39%
Con 14%
DK 46%

Who do you trust to manage immigration?
Lab 30%
Con 19%
DK 51%

People Polling/
@GBNEWS
May 23

[arista]

Sunak will Not pay P. Morgan Ł1,000

Bet on Rwanda

Simply because one person Flew to Rwanda

Pointed out Live on Ch5HD AM

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I personally don't like Starmer, personally I was more of an Ed Miliband guy out of the recent Labour leaders.

However Starmer can't get away with being a full blown Tory, because his backbenchers will have something to say about that if he were to try.

The party has been and is a continual process of being purged of back benchers that would kick up a fuss. Local parties don't have the right to make their own selections anymore because Starmer wants to control it, so who are these back bench Mp's ready to take on Starmer?

Mp's generally aren't principled people, they are more like weather vanes, as evidenced by hard tories suddenly becoming labour members.

Look at the major policies that have the most affect on how society runs, and you will see very little (if any at all) distance between labour and tories. These are long standing tory positions - it's not the blue rosettes who've moved closer to labour, so what's the saying about something walking like a duck and quacking like a duck?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

NEW 2024 UK polling

Who would make best prime minister?
Keir Starmer 34%
Rishi Sunak 19%
Don't know 47%

Who do you trust to manage economy?
Lab 35%
Con 19%
DK 46%

Who do you trust to manage NHS?
Lab 39%
Con 14%
DK 46%

Who do you trust to manage immigration?
Lab 30%
Con 19%
DK 51%

People Polling/
@GBNEWS
May 23

19% for economy & immigration is brutal for the Tories lol.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Absolutely right
If Starmer was more Tory I'd not be voting for Labour.
I know that's nonsense however that he is.
I even think he could surprise positively as PM if Labour wins this election.

Ed Miliband was okay, I did and do like him.
It's good he's part of Starmer's team.

His mistakes however were 2 howlers.

In the Independence referendum in Scotland, he made a massive error in standing on a platform surrounded by Cameron and Clegg.
Scotland had supported Labour solidly and warranted a more independent view of the issue from Labour.
Not seeing Miliband like Cameron's and Clegg's poodle on it

Plus he too should have promised a referendum on the EU.
I think he'd have saved hoards of previous votes had he done those 2 things better.

I tbf can agree with you on those points.

Especially the Scotland one, as he really gave ground to the SNP the day that he stood with Cameron essentially.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

The party has been and is a continual process of being purged of back benchers that would kick up a fuss. Local parties don't have the right to make their own selections anymore because Starmer wants to control it, so who are these back bench Mp's ready to take on Starmer?

Mp's generally aren't principled people, they are more like weather vanes, as evidenced by hard tories suddenly becoming labour members.

Look at the major policies that have the most affect on how society runs, and you will see very little (if any at all) distance between labour and tories. These are long standing tory positions - it's not the blue rosettes who've moved closer to labour, so what's the saying about something walking like a duck and quacking like a duck?

I agree that Labour under Starmer will be Tory-lite on a lot of issues, which isn't ideal imo.

I think I'm just hoping for a few things under Labour tbh.

1. Don't be worse than the Tories in terms of social policies.

2. At least have some traditional Labour policies come through, that I personally can get behind, like not privatizing the NHS.

3. Make sure to not put someone as PM that your own support base doesn't even want, let alone the general public.

[Mystic Mock]

And whoa! David Lammy could barely string a sentence together in that clip.

Does he think that he is Trump or Biden?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

The party has been and is a continual process of being purged of back benchers that would kick up a fuss. Local parties don't have the right to make their own selections anymore because Starmer wants to control it, so who are these back bench Mp's ready to take on Starmer?

Mp's generally aren't principled people, they are more like weather vanes, as evidenced by hard tories suddenly becoming labour members.

Look at the major policies that have the most affect on how society runs, and you will see very little (if any at all) distance between labour and tories. These are long standing tory positions - it's not the blue rosettes who've moved closer to labour, so what's the saying about something walking like a duck and quacking like a duck?

…yeah, I agree…that’s so off base and so off key because to just change party in such a way, for me…?…is they’re either not committed to any of the values and beliefs that they’ve led the public to believe that they’re committed to in acting for them…?..or they flip flop surface personalities that also doesn’t hold true to belief systems…just not people I would be inclined to put any faith in, whatever party they’re aligned to…it’s become more like a game or swapping about of job/department roles…crazy stuff…

[bots]

at the last election the tories purged all remainers from the party, and what we ended up with was a load of ukip mp's under the tory banner. This election should see most of them lose their seats, so perhaps proper tories will make a re-appearance at the 2029 election.

What i mean by this is that what Starmer has done is purge the labour party to his own image, and that will probably attract a few traditional tories into the labour party because they previously had no home, so what we will get in labour is some weird labour/tory hybrid, but it won't be the right wing ukip tories that are currently all over the tory party. To me, it's a good thing, but maybe that's just me

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

at the last election the tories purged all remainers from the party, and what we ended up with was a load of ukip mp's under the tory banner. This election should see most of them lose their seats, so perhaps proper tories will make a re-appearance at the 2029 election.

What i mean by this is that what Starmer has done is purge the labour party to his own image, and that will probably attract a few traditional tories into the labour party because they previously had no home, so what we will get in labour is some weird labour/tory hybrid, but it won't be the right wing ukip tories that are currently all over the tory party. To me, it's a good thing, but maybe that's just me

That's a very interesting take on things bots.

I think I could be persuaded by you that it may be a good thing too actually.

[arista]

Meanwhile at Dover,
another 90 or so
illegal migrants with no passports
have arrived.

[arista]

Happy times back in before 2019

[joeysteele]

There wasn't as I recall many happy times in 2019 as to politics.

[bots]

Jeremy has no say in anything related to uk politics now, so if his local constituency want him what's the problem. His time is over influencing politics in the uk

[arista]

Nigel Farage
is assisting Tice on the Road with Reform UK.

His UK show can return after the Election time

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by arista

People are obsessed with him getting wet ,lol, Its just water it doesn't hurt.

[arista]

Sunak PM had trouble leaving Downing St.

Due to Arab Protestors
Police moved one back

Now on his Bus in the West Midlands


GBnewsHD showed it Live.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

People are obsessed with him getting wet ,lol, Its just water it doesn't hurt.

Yes they have nothing better to do or say

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Jeremy has no say in anything related to uk politics now, so if his local constituency want him what's the problem. His time is over influencing politics in the uk

Yes no longer in the Labour party

So he needs to win his area on the 4th of July