[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jet

Nope, I don’t think everyone who disagrees with me is some sort of Corbyn ‘stan’ - (what a silly word) just you really,(and Kizzy!) as you STILL won’t admit he even shares a fraction of the blame. It is weird that you can’t do that, even when polls and many in his own party say he shared a large part. I have never said he was 100% to blame, I said that the far left armchair revolutionary policies of the party itself played a part too. Why do you ignore that? People didn’t believe and didn’t want their outlandish policies so they voted Tory because they felt it would be in their better interests. YOU are putting words into my mouth and once again using avoidance tactics.

You can’t possibly know, nobody can, how things are going to turn out, no matter how much of a Mystic Meg you think you are. Analysts can only predict, they can’t KNOW. Analysts also predicted how disastrous for the country Labours loony policies would be but perhaps you paid no heed to them. Many obviously did. I don’t know why you think Labour in power would do fantastic things when they are also completely unproven. Unless you believe everything they say automatically.
Johnson has put the NHS at the top of his priorities but you totally ignore that because it seems you don’t want to believe it. You say he's been a terrible PM so far, so what does that say about people rejecting old Steptoe?

FYI I only post here sporadically (and never on social media) mostly because some people here think the Saint can do no wrong, has never done any wrong, and I like to refute that because it’s far from the truth. That's not an obsession, thats an enjoyment of filling people in on their missing information. Many have even thanked me with 'omg, I didn't know that' privately. Blame them for encouraging me....

Anyway, maybe it’s time to leave it now, because you have your views and I have mine and never the twain shall meet.
….and don’t come back with your usual ‘you are ducking out because you are losing’ as you did to another poster, yesterday I think, who remarked to you that there was no point talking to you ‘because it’s always your way or the highway’....

So, I write a whole paragraph explaining my political views and you disregard it to carry on suggesting that I'm as obsessed with Corbyn as you. You are a fanatic of hate and there is no talking to you since you wake up and you think of Corbyn and you go to sleep thinking of Corbyn and you don't understand that no one's life revolves around Corbyn as much as yours' does. If you can't even be bothered to read what I'm saying then there's no point in talking to you, you might as well go argue with a wall and pretend it said what you want me to say because you aren't responding to anything I am actually saying.

I'm going to address the rest of your post though, mainly because it's laughable.

I have already addressed that I don't actually blame any parties for the result. Parties are nothing without votes and it's the people who vote. Tories are scum but they wouldn't have power if the people didn't give it to them with their votes. I'm not gonna blame parties for the mistakes of voters, that's dumb. I've explained this multiple times but it's still not sinking in because you don't read what I write, you read what you want to hear so you can keep pushing your fanaticism on other people. The fact that you keep projecting your issues onto me is just pitiful at this point. It's not worked so far so why keep trying?

You can't know how things will turn out because you likely only hear what you want to hear. I listen to the analysts whose careers and reputations depend on them being accurate, I listen to the experts. You let your hatred of some soon to be irrelevant MP dictate your life. I'm not making out I'm psychic, I'm just informed wile you obviously subscribe to the Micheal Gove thought process when it comes to Analysts. Most analysts worth their salt were in agreement about brexit and they were mostly in agreement about the vague promises of the Tory Manifesto.

Unlike Tory voters, I don't believe anything I'm told automatically, I'm just aware enough to notice that the Tory regimes since 2010 have been utter dog**** and we are overdue a change. When something is broken, I replace the broken parts, while you'll argue for waiting and hoping that the parts will fix themselves. Why would I believe the Tories when we've had three different Tory governments since 2010 and they've all embodied the same problems? You can hope and pray all you want for something to change, or you can try to make a change.

The Tories always say that the NHS is their top priority and every government cuts back on it's funding more every time. You may like to swallow the lies you're told but I certainly don't.

You are in a debate, it's quite pathetic to cry about me defending my views just because you can't overcome what I'm saying. I have never tried to shut someone down with the whole 'wah! you're not accepting my opinion and that means you're trying to silence me!!!' bull****. If I see a viewpoint I disagree with, I'll argue against it and I expect people to do the same when they disagree with me. I actually have conviction in my views, can't say the same about anyone that would enter a debate and then cry when the other person isn't giving up. Such entitlement. You don't like my viewpoints and you haven't been able to argue against me, that's why you've had to throw out insults first (I only respond to them by saying you are projecting) and that's why you're flouncing off now and trying to claim a moral victory because you can't get one on your own merit.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by jet

All this mocking is because he has a great degree, and old Steptoe hasn't got one, even though he was sent to posh grammar schools. He was a university drop out, the lazy sod. You have to laugh.

Eh, I'm not gonna agree here. I don't care whether or not someone has a degree or not.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

All this mocking is because he has a great degree, and old Steptoe hasn't got one, even though he was sent to posh grammar schools. He was a university drop out, the lazy sod. You have to laugh.

Except degrees were brought up in response to my post and I didn't vote labour, so where does Corbyn come into it?

Seems, like Boris, you struggle to join the dots.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Except degrees were brought up in response to my post and I didn't vote labour, so where does Corbyn come into it?

Seems, like Boris, you struggle to join the dots.

You voted Lib Dem?

[jet]

[QUOTE=Dezzy;10736971]

So, I write a whole paragraph explaining my political views and you disregard it to carry on suggesting that I'm as obsessed with Corbyn as you. You are a fanatic of hate and there is no talking to you since you wake up and you think of Corbyn and you go to sleep thinking of Corbyn and you don't understand that no one's life revolves around Corbyn as much as yours' does.

Hey, you don't want me to think I've a reputation to live up to do you? A bit counter - productive of you, eh? I'll feel obliged to come on here as soon as I wake up, and all day every day to disparage the awful Corbyn, and I just don't have the time.

You don't think I'm listening to what you are saying, and I was.
I don't think you are listening to what I'm saying either.
Stalemate.
I kind of enjoyed the dialogue with you for what its worth, but I know you would go on for ever, and I can't invest that much time, so....
I know that losing is impossible for you to stomach and its important to you to be always right, so I'll flounce off and give you the victors crown to get rid. You can wear it all evening. Enjoy!

[jet]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Eh, I'm not gonna agree here. I don't care whether or not someone has a degree or not.

Neither do I so fair enough...neither would I disparage someones degree because I don't like them.

[Tom4784]

[QUOTE=jet;10737005]

Originally Posted by Jet

Hey, you don't want me to think I've a reputation to live up to do you? A bit counter - productive of you, eh? I'll feel obliged to come on here as soon as I wake up, and all day every day to disparage the awful Corbyn, and I just don't have the time.

You don't think I'm listening to what you are saying, and I was.
I don't think you are listening to what I'm saying either.
Stalemate.
I kind of enjoyed the dialogue with you for what its worth, but I know you would go on for ever, and I can't invest that much time, so....
I know that losing is impossible for you to stomach and its important to you to be always right, so I'll flounce off and give you the victors crown to get rid. You can wear it all evening. Enjoy!

This translates to:

'I lack the capacity to win so I'm gonna pretend to walk away while demeaning your victory because I'm a sore loser that can't admit I've lost so I'll pretend to take the moral highground when I'm just being petty af.'

Don't enter a debate with someone if you're gonna lose your **** when they stand their ground.

Also, you're still deflecting. It's obvious I'm reading what you are saying because I respond to it directly. You just disregard what I say completely.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

Neither do I so fair enough...neither would I disparage someones degree because I don't like them.

Nobody's disparaged a degree. They simply balked at a degree being used as a counter argument to someone's idiocy.

[jet]

[QUOTE=Dezzy;10737012]

Originally Posted by jet

This translates to:

'I lack the capacity to win so I'm gonna pretend to walk away while demeaning your victory because I'm a sore loser that can't admit I've lost so I'll pretend to take the moral highground when I'm just being petty af.'

Don't enter a debate with someone if you're gonna lose your **** when they stand their ground.

Also, you're still deflecting. It's obvious I'm reading what you are saying because I respond to it directly. You just disregard what I say completely.

You are a piece of work and no mistake.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Nobody's disparaged a degree. They simply balked at a degree being used as a counter argument to someone's idiocy.

What proof is there that he's an idiot?

I contend that he's a skilful tactition who created the "Buffoon Boris" image which got lapped up and probably helped his win, while he has a sharp and intelligent mind behind it all.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What proof is there that he's an idiot?

I contend that he's a skilful tactition who created the "Buffoon Boris" image which got lapped up and probably helped his win, while he has a sharp and intelligent mind behind it all.

Going by what people in the Foreign Office said about him he is extremely lazy and can't be arsed to master his brief.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I contend that he's a skilful tactition

Proof?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

Nope, I don’t think everyone who disagrees with me is some sort of Corbyn ‘stan’ - (what a silly word) just you really,(and Kizzy!) as you STILL won’t admit he even shares a fraction of the blame. It is weird that you can’t do that, even when polls and many in his own party say he shared a large part. I have never said he was 100% to blame, I said that the far left armchair revolutionary policies of the party itself played a part too. Why do you ignore that? People didn’t believe and didn’t want their outlandish policies so they voted Tory because they felt it would be in their better interests. YOU are putting words into my mouth and once again using avoidance tactics.

You can’t possibly know, nobody can, how things are going to turn out, no matter how much of a Mystic Meg you think you are. Analysts can only predict, they can’t KNOW. Analysts also predicted how disastrous for the country Labours loony policies would be but perhaps you paid no heed to them. Many obviously did. I don’t know why you think Labour in power would do fantastic things when they are also completely unproven. Unless you believe everything they say automatically.
Johnson has put the NHS at the top of his priorities but you totally ignore that because it seems you don’t want to believe it. You say he's been a terrible PM so far, so what does that say about people rejecting old Steptoe?

FYI I only post here sporadically (and never on social media) mostly because some people here think the Saint can do no wrong, has never done any wrong, and I like to refute that because it’s far from the truth. That's not an obsession, thats an enjoyment of filling people in on their missing information. Many have even thanked me with 'omg, I didn't know that' privately. Blame them for encouraging me....

Anyway, maybe it’s time to leave it now, because you have your views and I have mine and never the twain shall meet.
….and don’t come back with your usual ‘you are ducking out because you are losing’ as you did to another poster, yesterday I think, who remarked to you that there was no point talking to you ‘because it’s always your way or the highway’....

Yep I'm a Corbyn Stan. ..still.
What did the polls say about our newly elected PM? They couldn't trust him an inch.. and I don't blame them!
They voted Tory to brexit, nothing else... there was no other reason to.

You've thrown your weight behind Johnson in the vain hope he'll deliver for the NHS...You've chosen to believe that 'automatically' despite the fact he is a proven liar?

The only good thing to come out of the election is getting the DUP out of government, not that you ever had any pearls of wisdom about their past involvement with terrorist organisations strangely.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Proof?

He got a 2:1 in one of the hardest degrees out there. He has a carefully cultivated image, and is good with words to the point where he could lead his party to a win with a mere slogan.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

He got a 2:1 in one of the hardest degrees out there. He has a carefully cultivated image, and is good with words to the point where he could lead his party to a win with a mere slogan.

He had an education that cost more than some earn in 20yrs! I should think it would get him a degree there would be something seriously amiss if he didn't. :/

[Kizzy]

What a slogan... brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit tampons brexit

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He had an education that cost more than some earn in 20yrs! I should think it would get him a degree there would be something seriously amiss if he didn't. :/

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What a slogan... brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit brexit tampons brexit

And yet I'm still to hear any justification for calling him stupid!

[jet]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...inute-21116560

Jeremy Corbyn given 20-minute 'hairdryer' dressing down by MP who lost seat

Jeremy Corbyn was given the “hairdryer” treatment in a 20-minute, public dressing-down from an MP who lost her seat.
Mary Creagh, the former MP for Wakefield, had been clearing out her Commons office when she saw the Labour leader posing for selfies with young people.
She told the Times she approached Mr Corbyn and gave him a stern talking-to.
“I told him he shouldn’t be having his photo taken with young people because he had betrayed their future,” she said. “I asked him to apologise for what he’d done.”
She says she unloaded on Mr Corbyn, branding Labour’s manifesto a “joke” and accusing him of alienating Labour voters.
Ms Creagh said she also took issue with Mr Corbyn’s decision to call the election without consulting the Shadow Cabinet and challenged him to go too Wakefield to apologise.
“He needs to know what he has done,” she added. “He needs to own his failure. He must apologise for what he has done. I told him ‘why are you still sat in your office when all my staff have just lost their jobs?’”

He's a disgrace.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by jet

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...inute-21116560

Jeremy Corbyn given 20-minute 'hairdryer' dressing down by MP who lost seat


He's a disgrace.

I wouldn't even say he's a disgrace. He was very "tunnel visioned" and couldn't or wouldn't see what he was focusing on. He didn't realise that almost everything he was doing was cutting off his nose to spite the faces of his MPs, and he did nothing to dampen the muck raked by the tabloids.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

And yet I'm still to hear any justification for calling him stupid!

There are other forms of intelligence, being able to parrot text and memorise Latin phrases don't mean he is rounded. Academics can be emotionally stunted, that's being generous.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I wouldn't even say he's a disgrace. He was very "tunnel visioned" and couldn't or wouldn't see what he was focusing on. He didn't realise that almost everything he was doing was cutting off his nose to spite the faces of his MPs, and he did nothing to dampen the muck raked by the tabloids.

He was clear he didn't entertain personal attacks, which is what a lot of his MPS appear to be doing now... The manifesto was well recieved, pepole liked his policies. They did not engage with the divided Labour brexit stance, he can't absorb all the blame for that.
Many MPs were out and out leavers and some determined to remain. The neutral stance meant he could best aid everyone.
But he was never going to be able to please everyone...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...inute-21116560

Jeremy Corbyn given 20-minute 'hairdryer' dressing down by MP who lost seat


He's a disgrace.

THIS is a disgrace...



https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ation-in-party

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

There are other forms of intelligence, being able to parrot text and memorise Latin phrases don't mean he is rounded. Academics can be emotionally stunted, that's being generous.

"Some people with good degrees can be stupid" isn't the same as "Boris Johnson is stupid", for which I've still not heard any proof.

I don't even have a strong opinion either way, but there's more to say he's not-stupid than is-stupid.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He was clear he didn't entertain personal attacks, which is what a lot of his MPS appear to be doing now... The manifesto was well recieved, pepole liked his policies. They did not engage with the divided Labour brexit stance, he can't absorb all the blame for that.
Many MPs were out and out leavers and some determined to remain. The neutral stance meant he could best aid everyone.
But he was never going to be able to please everyone...

Wrong.The polls say his failure was due to:

His leadership 43%
His Brexit stance 17%

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He was clear he didn't entertain personal attacks, which is what a lot of his MPS appear to be doing now... The manifesto was well recieved, pepole liked his policies. They did not engage with the divided Labour brexit stance, he can't absorb all the blame for that.
Many MPs were out and out leavers and some determined to remain. The neutral stance meant he could best aid everyone.
But he was never going to be able to please everyone...

You can't please all people all of the time so I think he should have had a definitive Brexit stance, whichever way that was. He's right to not let things get personal, and I think people on all sides of the fence should follow suit.