[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Some are, not all with respect.

Joey,they are giving protesters a bad name,no one will remember them,just the rioters,do you think what they did is ok? serious question.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Exacly Ammi,they are rioters,NOT protesters.

And for people on here to say they would join them is frankly disgusting

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

And for people on here to say they would join them is frankly disgusting

Then I'm disgusting and proud to be.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Joey,they are giving protesters a bad name,no one will remember them,just the rioters,do you think what they did is ok? serious question.

Here is a serious answer then,with respect few on here are giving any attention to the reason for the march in the first place.

I have said more than once, I condemn massively the tiny few of all there, that defaced the war memorial.
Everyone should do so too and in fact have.
However, I am not going to generalise and then call 'all' the protesters left wing militants and all other names or lump them together with the few that caused the bother.
Also eagerly using that to dismiss and cloud over the real reason for the protests.

And yes,to those criticising this fact too, I will actually now be happy to join any march or protest at the heartless cuts to come against the most vulnerable.
Because since we have such a distorted, as to real democracy, electoral system,when you get a govt; that will use its,(minority as to given votes),power to trample on the weakest,thank god there are people who will march against that.

Sadly there will always be the few troublemakers, who unfortunately grab the headlines in marches and protests.
Sadder still is however,that this, in the main peaceful march,had it remained so, would have been likely ignored by the media.
They only took interest once things kicked off.

Had this remained peaceful as it should be as to all protests and marches,some would I believe, still be calling them names and thinking them a waste of space,just because they are against the cuts from the govt; they support.

Therein lies the difference with me and at least one other on here,if this was a Labour govt; setting out to do these cuts as to the most vulnerable, I would be as equally strong in my fight ad passion against them as I will be against this govt:

My loyalty does not come without conditions,if I see injustice anywhere, I will help take a stand against it,even if that is against something or people I really support too.

If this govt; had just a single ounce of decency and compassion about it,it would listen and consult before inflicting more savage cuts on the vulnerable.
It never has, it will not now and it never will.
So, people should not be surprised some take to the streets to protest.

Wrong to cause destruction but it is generally only the few that do so, then others jump in to condemn all for that few.
It still doesn't change that it is a massive wrong for those in power to be constantly trampling on the weakest.
You may be very happy and able to support that,I never will as to any party in power or in fact any organisation either.

You and I will never see eye to eye on this issue however.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then I'm disgusting and proud to be.

.... and me, at least I would be being true to my conscience and standing up for people who cannot do so for themselves.
Not leaving them to be treated like dirt and be in effect trampled into the ground they walk on.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I like the tories so far. Not that we had much choice this time. Ed was a joke.

Let's see how long that lasts when the Tories have you depending on Food Banks and barely able to afford housing because you've been forced to take a job that doesn't provide a wage you can actually live on. Woe betide you if you have the audacity to become ill.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Let's see how long that lasts when the Tories have you depending on Food Banks and barely able to afford housing because you've been forced to take a job that doesn't provide a wage you can actually live on. Woe betide you if you have the audacity to become ill.

So far i think they've been good for this country. But we will have to wait and see.

[empire]

here's the thing that people won't admit, that the tory's labour,lib dem's,snp, are all under the same class, there are pro eu, they all come from the same backgrounds, there up bringing was paid for by there rich families, I mean would any of them live in the same house as there voters, no, they live in nice big houses, in the country side, blair was a public school boy, but voters where daft enough to vote for him, like he lived in a rough area all his life,

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

So far i think they've been good for this country. But we will have to wait and see.

The Tories will do nothing for you but make your life harder, if you're working class and you think differently then you've swallowed the PR koolaid.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Let's see how long that lasts when the Tories have you depending on Food Banks and barely able to afford housing because you've been forced to take a job that doesn't provide a wage you can actually live on. Woe betide you if you have the audacity to become ill.

Spot on, for anyone becoming really ill or for those already really ill, they have a virtual nightmare existence to come once they begin these new round of adjustments to their entitlements.
Being likely stripped of dignity and spirit totally too.

[Ninastar]

I wonder what people would say if it were the other way around - tories rioting over a labour win... Would people be as sympathetic then? I very much doubt it.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by empire

here's the thing that people won't admit, that the tory's labour,lib dem's,snp, are all under the same class, there are pro eu, they all come from the same backgrounds, there up bringing was paid for by there rich families, I mean would any of them live in the same house as there voters, no, they live in nice big houses, in the country side, blair was a public school boy, but voters where daft enough to vote for him, like he lived in a rough area all his life,

Well said Empire,all true.I doubt any of them were poor in the sense of the word,as you say always lived in nice houses in nice areas.

[Tom4784]

Their backgrounds don't ultimately matter, I'm not foolish enough to think that a labour government would be sunshine and rainbows but pretty much EVERY other party had pledged to do more for the working class and then the dumbasses went and voted in the one party who will do nothing but make the lives of most of the UK worse.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well said Empire,all true.I doubt any of them were poor in the sense of the word,as you say always lived in nice houses in nice areas.

You keep mentioning that, I am talking about the sick and disabled people with cancer being told they should be able to do some work thanks to Ian Duncan Smiths foul re-assessments process.
Some live in nice houses because they have worked most of their lives to get same,
Then they are told to get out or pay even more because of the bedroom charge.
Even if they have dementia.

I came across a lady, who had dementia,had 2 bedrooms in her house, lived alone, she sometimes had a carer stay over some nights every week in the spare bedroom.
She has to pay Ł17 extra a week to stay in that house.

I have been to the re-assessments with people, not ALL are wasters as you seem to see them.
People who have worked all their lives then got dementia, being forced to re-assessment after re-assessment.
Having benefits cut because they forgot to answer the phone to someone calling them to discuss their benefits.
That goes on all the time.

You say that isn't happening because you haven't seen it,well I have and it is frustrating when people dismiss the sick and disabled as wasters.

They are the people I care about not fancy Ministers sitting in offices planning how to make the vulnerables lives even more traumatic than they already are.

[empire]

duncan smith does not know what real life is, because he could not catch the people that are milking the system, instead he went after the sick, it just shows how much lies these parties would do just to make them selfs look good, labour and the tory's have never got welfare right, both parties have made it harder for people to get jobs under the rules of the job centure, all those parties no nothing about harsh life, they are there to rip you off,sorry for telling the truth, but that's life.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

You keep mentioning that, I am talking about the sick and disabled people with cancer being told they should be able to do some work thanks to Ian Duncan Smiths foul re-assessments process.
Some live in nice houses because they have worked most of their lives to get same,
Then they are told to get out or pay even more because of the bedroom charge.
Even if they have dementia.

I came across a lady, who had dementia,had 2 bedrooms in her house, lived alone, she sometimes had a carer stay over some nights every week in the spare bedroom.
She has to pay Ł17 extra a week to stay in that house.

I have been to the re-assessments with people, not ALL are wasters as you seem to see them.
People who have worked all their lives then got dementia, being forced to re-assessment after re-assessment.
Having benefits cut because they forgot to answer the phone to someone calling them to discuss their benefits.
That goes on all the time.

You say that isn't happening because you haven't seen it,well I have and it is frustrating when people dismiss the sick and disabled as wasters.

They are the people I care about not fancy Ministers sitting in offices planning how to make the vulnerables lives even more traumatic than they already are.

ok Joey,I wont say anymore,I am outta this thread as its just going round in circles.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Chaos

I wonder what people would say if it were the other way around - tories rioting over a labour win... Would people be as sympathetic then? I very much doubt it.

Probably not, but then, Labour hasn't spent the last 5 years destroying people's lives sooo...

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Probably not, but then, Labour hasn't spent the last 5 years destroying people's lives sooo...

No, just the 12 years before that

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Chaos

I wonder what people would say if it were the other way around - tories rioting over a labour win... Would people be as sympathetic then? I very much doubt it.

If Labour was implementing the same stuff that the Tories are doing then yes I would be sympathetic to most of the protesters, as at the end of the day while Labour's policies are extremely naive in certain areas, the Tories come off as really cold and evil in some of their policies, and if any Labour Government was putting them through we all know that the ones that are attacking the protesters would be defending them if it was the other way around.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

If Labour was implementing the same stuff that the Tories are doing then yes I would be sympathetic to most of the protesters, as at the end of the day while Labour's policies are extremely naive in certain areas, the Tories come off as really cold and evil in some of their policies, and if any Labour Government was putting them through we all know that the ones that are attacking the protesters would be defending them if it was the other way around.

Well said Mock, Labour never attacked and cut money from the sick and disabled and most vulnerable.
Even Margaret Thatcher never set out to do that in all her 11 years as PM or John Major after her either.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

No, just the 12 years before that

I felt much happier in my life under a Labour Government than I have done under a Tory Government.

Give me a naive Party over a ice cold Party anyday of the week.

[Liam-]

As a full time carer for my two disabled parents, the idea of the next five years under this conservative government is frightening for me and my family, no compassion or empathy will be shown to the millions of people like us, all that will be shown is disdain for those who are not well off and the blatant attempt to make 'Britain' a place where only the rich can flourish and live lives where all they have to worry about is where they're going on their next holiday.
That to me is not Britain, Britain is a place where everyone gets a chance and there is help provided to at least try and let people live without worry.
I can fully understand why people are protesting against the result, it's going to lead to nothing but trouble and pain for a lot of people.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I felt much happier in my life under a Labour Government than I have done under a Tory Government.

Give me a naive Party over a ice cold Party anyday of the week.

There are many names I could use to describe Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, naive is most certainly not one of them.

Blair and Brown set the UK on its course during their terms in office. Much of the hardship now being suffered is as a direct result of their actions in government, and anyone that fails to acknowledge that is naive.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I felt much happier in my life under a Labour Government than I have done under a Tory Government.

Give me a naive Party over a ice cold Party anyday of the week.

Ice cold is a good description,I was looking and hoping to see some change after David Cameron talked about one nation party again and being fairer,after his election win.

However as usual with him, actions say far more than his words of any comfort.
Him now re-appointing Ian Duncan Smith as works and pensions secretary,signals to me no change and even worse to come again now.
So much then for being fairer.

Ian Duncan Smith has not got a single piece of compassion about him,I will never understand how such a dismal failure of a politician,(even as leader, the Conservatives got rid of him before he could even led them into an election),is permitted to have any power as to anyone's lives and incomes at all, never mind the most vulnerable peoples lives in society.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Liam-

As a full time carer for my two disabled parents, the idea of the next five years under this conservative government is frightening for me and my family, no compassion or empathy will be shown to the millions of people like us, all that will be shown is disdain for those who are not well off and the blatant attempt to make 'Britain' a place where only the rich can flourish and live lives where all they have to worry about is where they're going on their next holiday.
That to me is not Britain, Britain is a place where everyone gets a chance and there is help provided to at least try and let people live without worry.
I can fully understand why people are protesting against the result, it's going to lead to nothing but trouble and pain for a lot of people.

Very good post Liam. I completely agree with it.

I am fed up also of seeing so many saying 'the country is fine' 'the plans are working' 'theres jobs out there you just have to work hard'

Well no, the plan is certainly not working, especially for those that need it to the most, and some people can't just go out, find a job and 'graft hard' due to circumstances that are completely no fault of their own.

What really both saddens and angers me is this ever rising 'I'm alright so **** you Jack' attitude that's thrown around now, when did we honestly become so selfish that we don't give a **** about others as long as we are doing alright? And this is coming from someone that never really felt affected during the recession but I have seen how difficult it's been for people close to me and it's really going to get a lot worse.

In regards to the riots, the few that vandalised the war memorial are out of order. Everyone else that's protesting should not be tarred with the same brush and the fact that there are many feeling like this says a lot about how this government has been affecting people.