[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Ellen

That is fair enough although imo you should only be judged on the house but the op suggested Ann was been homophobic in the house which other's argued she wasnt then others brought up her past and then

Saying "Disgusting" is as homophobic as "poppadom " is racist ,but don't let facts get in the way of a good moan ,Isn't it silly Ellen ?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Saying "Disgusting" is as homophobic as "poppadom " is racist ,but don't let facts get in the way of a good moan ,Isn't it silly Ellen ?

Maybe if you evaluate those words objectively.

However, for bigotry people tend to look at the actual situation and people involved and the intent between them.

Any fool can see the word "disgusting" is not homophpbic. The context within which it is used can be. Emphasis on "can" be before I get jumped on.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Saying "Disgusting" is as homophobic as "poppadom " is racist ,but don't let facts get in the way of a good moan ,Isn't it silly Ellen ?

Its not the word, its the context. Plus I am sure they actually called Shilpa a P*** also. I know Jack did, possibly Danielle too. And were singing rhymes were obviously the missing word was P***

[Marsh.]

Yeah if your only argument to say Shilpa was not racially bullied is "Poppadom is not racist" then you clearly didn't watch much of CBB5. Thee racism in that series was abhorrent. Especially from, as Vicky said, Danielle and Jack.

To deny that you have got to be wilfully ignorant.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Its not the word, its the context. Plus I am sure they actually called Shilpa a P*** also. I know Jack did, possibly Danielle too. And were singing rhymes were obviously the missing word was P***

No she didn't Vicky

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

No she didn't Vicky

Yes. She did.

Don't tell lies.

[HBIC]

Most Ann fans clearly agree with her views but hide behind the usual "she tells it like it is, she's so honest!!!" excuse. No, just be honest and admit you agree with her views on things like gay marriage.

I am surprised this forum has so many homophobes. I would have thought a show like this would have a more liberal audience but I guess I was wrong.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

No she didn't Vicky

Jack definitely did. It seems the other person may have been Jo, not Danielle

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...ofcom.channel4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xas5uDLd4N0

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Jack definitely did. It seems the other person may have been Jo, not Danielle

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...ofcom.channel4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xas5uDLd4N0

[edit]
The fifth UK series of Celebrity Big Brother began on 3 January 2007. On Day 1, eleven celebrity housemates entered the Big Brother house, including model Danielle Lloyd, singer Jo O'Meara and Bollywood actress Shilpa Shetty. Then, on Day 3, former Big Brother housemate Jade Goody entered the house, accompanied by her boyfriend Jack Tweed and her mother Jackiey Budden.

During Budden's relatively short stay in the house, she and Shetty clashed on numerous occasions. Budden claimed that she was unable to pronounce "Shilpa", and referred to Shetty as "Princess" and "the Indian". Budden insisted that it was "not her fault" if she were to say Shilpa and it were to come out wrong.[8] During her eviction interview, after Budden used the term "the Indian", presenter Davina McCall coerced Budden into saying "Shilpa" and Jackiey pronounced it properly.

After Budden's eviction, Goody's boyfriend Jack Tweed called Shetty an expletive, with the bleeped-out expletive variously reported as "****"[9] and "****"[10] who should remove objects from the toilet with her teeth. The night that Carole Malone was evicted, Lloyd was heard to refer to Shetty as a "dog".[11]

However, the first large upsurge in complaints occurred after a conversation between Lloyd and O'Meara was shown, during which O'Meara generalised that all Indians were thin because they were "sick all the time" as a result of undercooking their food, following their belief that Shetty had undercooked a chicken.[8] Lloyd also mentioned that she didn't like Shetty touching her food because she didn't "know where her hands have been".[12] Lloyd, O'Meara and Goody repeatedly maintained a belief that Shetty was "fake", and "a mole".[13]

The tensions in the house came to a peak on Day 15, when an explosive argument between Shetty and Goody erupted, seemingly over stock cubes. During this argument, Goody told Shetty that she was "not no ****ing princess here", "normal" and needed "a day in the slums", while Shetty told Goody that her "claim to fame was [Big Brother]". Witnessed by a giggling O'Meara and Lloyd, Lloyd said afterwards she thought Shetty should "**** off home".[14] She also said Shilpa "can't even speak English properly anyway".

The next morning, Goody referred to Shetty as, 'Shilpa ****awallah', 'Shilpa Daroopa' and 'Shilpa Poppadom'. She later insisted that she had done this with no intention of racism. She later apologised if her actions had offended anybody.[15][16] After Goody apologised to Shetty for her behaviour, Tweed stated that he was very disappointed with Goody for apologising, and called Shetty a "dick" after previously describing her as a "wanker".

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Jack definitely did. It seems the other person may have been Jo, not Danielle

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...ofcom.channel4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xas5uDLd4N0

And NOT Jade !!

[Vicky.]

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/big-bro...n-bb-race-row/

This also.

The poppadom thing was dodgy. But this is undeniable really.

The limericks..though not explicitly saying the word P***...thats very obviously what was meant.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/big-bro...n-bb-race-row/

This also.

The poppadom thing was dodgy. But this is undeniable really.

The limericks..though not explicitly saying the word P***...thats very obviously what was meant.

Its a food Vicky,want she meant ( we will never know ) and what she actually said are 2 different things

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Its a food Vicky,want she meant ( we will never know ) and what she actually said are 2 different things

P*** is not a food.

[Vicky.]

Yes but its the context. And when added to that ridiculous limerick game..it looks seriously bad.

Like a curry is a food, but if I called an Indian person a curry, especially if I had been (basically) making jokes of racism terms around the same time, and my mates had been telling the person to 'go home' and such surely you can see why a lot of people would view curry as not just a food, but an offensive term?

[-Sue-]

I always remember that year of CBB with Jade shilpa etc we all will..

I will never forget Jermaine calling Jade & family 'white trash' there was no outrage for that though was it acceptable.. no but it happened

RIP Jade

[Marsh.]

Wow the straws have been clutched so bad they are threadbare.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by -Sue-

I always remember that year of CBB with Jade shilpa etc we all will..

I will never forget Jermaine calling Jade & family 'white trash' there was no outrage for that though was it acceptable.. no but it happened

RIP Jade

Now just imagine they called him ‘black trash’.

And yes i know ‘white trash’ is basically the US term for ‘chav’ but inserting the persons skin colour is either right for everyone or wrong for everyone.Anything else is racism.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/big-bro...n-bb-race-row/

This also.

The poppadom thing was dodgy. But this is undeniable really.

The limericks..though not explicitly saying the word P***...thats very obviously what was meant.

I'd never read that before, thanks. I'm confused as to why they were telling them to switch off their microphones though?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by HBIC

Most Ann fans clearly agree with her views but hide behind the usual "she tells it like it is, she's so honest!!!" excuse. No, just be honest and admit you agree with her views on things like gay marriage.

I am surprised this forum has so many homophobes. I would have thought a show like this would have a more liberal audience but I guess I was wrong.

And it's fine for you to stereo-type

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by HBIC

Most Ann fans clearly agree with her views but hide behind the usual "she tells it like it is, she's so honest!!!" excuse. No, just be honest and admit you agree with her views on things like gay marriage.

I am surprised this forum has so many homophobes. I would have thought a show like this would have a more liberal audience but I guess I was wrong.

Maybe some people just respect other people have the right to THEIR opinion. It doesn't mean we agree with it necessarily.
This is a democratic country...we are all entitled to a ****ing opinion...Ann has said nothing wrong but she clearly feels uncomfortable around certain behaviour between 2 men. She doesn't care what people do in private but personally finds it hard to watch in public. She has every right to feel that way...

[Robertocarlo]

Originally Posted by HBIC

Most Ann fans clearly agree with her views but hide behind the usual "she tells it like it is, she's so honest!!!" excuse. No, just be honest and admit you agree with her views on things like gay marriage.

I am surprised this forum has so many homophobes. I would have thought a show like this would have a more liberal audience but I guess I was wrong.

Here, here totally agree. Amazing in the 21st century we have so many ignorant bigoted homophobes.

[poppsywoppsy]

What stood out to me was how Shilpa dealt with these racist comments by being so dignified and composed, also showing forgiveness.

I will never forget her, she was amazing.

It made those awful women look worse by being compared with her, her ability to deal with them in such a classy way, wiped the floor with their abhorrent abuse.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

What stood out to me was how Shilpa dealt with these racist comments by being so dignified and composed, also showing forgiveness.

I will never forget her, she was amazing.

It made those awful women look worse by being compared with her, her ability to deal with them in such a classy way, wiped the floor with their abhorrent abuse.

what has that anecdote got to do with this straw man thread?

[HBIC]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Maybe some people just respect other people have the right to THEIR opinion. It doesn't mean we agree with it necessarily.
This is a democratic country...we are all entitled to a ****ing opinion...Ann has said nothing wrong but she clearly feels uncomfortable around certain behaviour between 2 men. She doesn't care what people do in private but personally finds it hard to watch in public. She has every right to feel that way...

I am not telling her not to have an opinion. You should respect my right to criticize her then since that is my opinion

Seems like a lot of the people that pull the "it's just her opinion!!!" card don't realize that I can also have an opinion about her opinion. Right to an opinion doesn't mean right to say what you want without being criticized.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Its not the word, its the context. Plus I am sure they actually called Shilpa a P*** also. I know Jack did, possibly Danielle too. And were singing rhymes were obviously the missing word was P***

I found it weird that there was a rumour Jack called Shilpa a "p..." ,surely the idiot would of been removed if it was true?? . There was something uncomfortable with the way they treated Shilpa ,and even if people deny racism it DIDN'T look good

Even if Jade forgot her name how TF do you mix popadom up with Shilpa, even if she was joking .

That's like IF Shilpa called her "rice" as a joke , literally looks stupid !! .And obviously it will seem racist saying popadum as Shilpa is Indian .

Plus Danielle was ignorant AF and said Shilpa can't speak English properly, Jo sat on her arse and laughed like a sheep .

I remember when Maxwell did something similar about Kemal BB6 but he got away with it as a joke by saying Kebab instead of Kemal,but that could be seen as racist as Kemal was Turkish. But I think he was just taking the Pee out his name as Maxwell was a foul pig anyway .