[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by angus58

Somehow I think we're talking at cross purposes here - in response to Arista's post that he was contemplating suing the police, I originally stated that he has no case against the police since they were perfectly within their rights to arrest him with sufficient, albeit circumstantial, suspicions and question him within a prescribed time limit. He has been released without charge after their investigations, so he has no case against them. He has no basis to sue for "wrongful arrest".

The scurrilous media campaign against him - now that's a different story. I hope he sues the pants off them, and all the individuals who crawled out of the woodwork to put the boot in.

Cross purposes - maybes aye, maybes no !!

I read that he was looking at the view of suing for wrongful arrest - I would imagine that his lawyers will be advising him in respect of what precisely constitues. As only he, the police and his lawyers will be aware if they did in fact have 'reasonable grounds' for his arrest. The police may have a lot more under their belt that just him being the landlord and having a key: they may not. The police may feel they had sufficient grounds, clearly CJ thinks otherwise - and perhaps so too, will his legal team? Only time will tell on that matter.

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Wrongful Arrest (nicked from google)
Otherwise known as unlawful arrest and detention may result in damages payable to the victim for false imprisonment. If the police have acted outside their legitimate powers by detaining someone who has not been subjected to a lawful arrest and interfered with that persons liberty, the police officer may be acting outside the scope of his duty. When making an arrest, a police officer must have reasonable grounds for suspecting that an arrestable offence is being committed, or is about to be committed and if an arrest is made outside these grounds then a police officer will have acted outside his legal powers and may well be liable to pay damages for false imprisonment.

With regards to the way he was portrayed and libelled by the media, and slandered by some others - if he is indeed innocent - I'd be doing all I could to sue those responsible for blackening my name in the way the did with CJ.

[Angus]

I am 100% confident that he will not win any action against the police for "wrongful arrest".

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by angus58

I am 100% confident that he will not win any action against the police for "wrongful arrest".

And I am 100% confident that as far as this case is concerned, nothing is for certain!! lol

[mrscolumbo]

Apparently there is now a forensic psycholgist, not the A & S profiler, who is suggesting that the killer of Joanna may have killed before - because of the lack of forensic evidence in this case the killer may have 'forensic awareness' and after the murder obliterated all forensic evidence of the crime!

Could it not simply be that the killer would have no real need to obliterate the crime scene of forensic evidence to eliminate him of the crime - if the crime scene is a place that would normally & naturally have a mixture of dna from both the victim and the perpetrator.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by mrscolumbo

Apparently there is now a forensic psycholgist, not the A & S profiler, who is suggesting that the killer of Joanna may have killed before - because of the lack of forensic evidence in this case the killer may have 'forensic awareness' and after the murder obliterated all forensic evidence of the crime!

Could it not simply be that the killer would have no real need to obliterate the crime scene of forensic evidence to eliminate him of the crime - if the crime scene is a place that would normally & naturally have a mixture of dna from both the victim and the perpetrator.

I think I 'see' who you might be getting at.... but without trawling back through posts /papers etc: didn't the police say that they found DNA on Joanna's body that had led them to not rule out 'killers' or an accomplice? If they have a real hunch towards that, it could throw the cat amongst the pigeons.

Interesting snippet about there being thoughts on the killer having more than a layman's knowledge of forensics........ there is a part of me that's going along with what you said - given that 'we' dont know what the other 'dna' found on Jo's body is that makes police think of killers- it could be saliva from someone giving her a Merry Christmas peck, strand of someones hair nestled on her top, caught during a Christmas hug/cuddle when she left the pub etc....

It's a real mystery, but I do favour 'where you are coming from'.

[JobsForTheBoys]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

It's a real mystery, but I do favour 'where you are coming from'.

I'm just sitting back and reading yours and columbos posts. I cant be bothered to post myself.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by JobsForTheBoys

I'm just sitting back and reading yours and columbos posts. I cant be bothered to post myself.

Expect an invoice at the end of the month.

My terms are payment strictly within 30 days.

[JobsForTheBoys]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Expect an invoice at the end of the month.

My terms are payment strictly within 30 days.

I dont have any money.

[arista]

The Sun Newspaper
now offers 50,000 pounds reward
for help to catch the Killer.


SkyNewsHD

[InOne]

Just like in the old west lol

[arista]

Did a Facebook friend kill Jo? Murder police bid to trace victim's 200 internet contacts

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1AIjaLHcJ

[keithafc]

This is a gripping story. I just wonder who dun it.

[mrscolumbo]

Keith I just wonder where everybody has gone!

[Fronn]

Well I'm about and still mulling it over. It must be awful for the poor girl's parents and all this sock speculation - was it used to strangle her? Has it been kept as a trophy? seems unecessarily cruel speculation without evidence. Don't think the landlord should sue the police (mainly because I'd like them to keep their finances to fight crimes like this one) - but he is owed one mega and very public apology.

[Pyramid*]

Interesting comments in the Guardian in respect of the relationship between A&S Police and the Press.

The suspicion is growing that the force is holding back vital details. Distrust is mounting among a media corps that believes it has a duty to question whether the investigation is floundering. Publicly, detectives admit they still do not know where and when Joanna died.

Yet when ITN claimed last Tuesday that police were no closer to finding her killer, the force banned the broadcaster from press conferences. Eventually its journalists were allowed back into the fold, but the enduring concern that police attempted to interfere with the freedom of the press hangs over the investigation.

Given that the police admit they don't know when/where/what time Jo died, cannot confirm what was used to strangle her, are unsure if she ate the pizza or not, cannot rule out more than one person was involved in the killing, I think what ITN stated last week - and now almost a week late - stood true then, and most certainly now. Police certainly don't appear to be closing to fnding the killer.

FGS, It's almost 3 weeks later and they only began checking drains etc during the week there - ample time for any possible evidence to have been washed away and well into the sewer system by now.

Wonder why the police got so tetchy and threw the rattle out of the pram? Possibly because they are iindeed floundering and ITN hit the nail on the head? Here was me thinking the police were in the business of determining the truth, dealing with facts. Seems only if it is to their beneift, and as long as the word 'guilty' doesn't land firmly on their doorstep!

Re CJ: reporting that CJ appears to be progressing his intent to sue both police and certain newspapers.

Meanwhile, Christopher Jefferies, the former public school teacher arrested on suspicion of the 25-year-old's murder, is preparing to sue the police for wrongful arrest and various newspapers for defamation.

[marney]

[B]Pyramid
Perhaps when the context of the text is known we might know if she did indeed invited him out on that night. As regards new posters everyone in this country is incensed by this mindless act of evil so why should that trouble you or do you have the monopoly on this subject it certainly appears like that. Still can't find anything on the bottles, Why on do you appear so rattled?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by marney

[B]Pyramid
Perhaps when the context of the text is known we might know if she did indeed invited him out on that night. As regards new posters everyone in this country is incensed by this mindless act of evil so why should that trouble you or do you have the monopoly on this subject it certainly appears like that. Still can't find anything on the bottles, Why on do you appear so rattled?

Perhaps you shouldn't post things on the internet that are not known for sure - I mean re the text message and what it may give out or signal (re Jo or the man concerned), given the amount of harrassment a certain LL got through people doing the same thing. *Added: This was reported by the Sun. The source of this information as worded by the Sun - is not named., they quote it as 'a source*

The matter of the text to the man may be seen as defammatory - as you stated. Neither by the press not the police - and it is dangerous to assert such a thing - lest this man is also then subjected to the same witch hunt as CJ was. That's my point as far as the text message is concerned.

I said the amount of new posters posting coming onto the thread as being 'amusing' - I didn't say it trouble me - read what is written rather than make things up. Neither did I say, or infer, that I had a monopoly. I find it amusing because Tibbs isn't exactly one of the biggest forums around and given that it's not known for having the most serious of debates - that the reason why I found it amusing. Still do.

Rattled? Not at all. I do however find it bizarre that a month in to the case, with the maximum publicity being given, in every possible media outlet and the the interest being shown: that a new member would come on to enter discussions: when they so obviously have the barest of correct information. (ie: about the male friend, about the cider bottles etc). On the matter of the cider bottles: I've just googled and found many references to the bottles (both of them) - took seconds to find several hits. Seek and ye shall find.

[marney]

Pyramid
I find it amusing to see that this one thread alone has brought in quite a few new members who appear to only be interested in posting in this particular thread !



Amusing is not a word I would use in such a tragic case, heartwarming yes, that so many people are concerned about getting this murerder off our streets. Still cant find the bottles can you give me a clue.

[InOne]

You'd think it was the 70's the way they are dealing with the case. We can go over all the little details but it's clutching at straws still at the moment. Think they might've got away with this. They're hoping for someone to come forward I think.

[MojoNixon]

Quote from someone else :

Originally Posted by arista

Yes in the back of her head
so she may pull through.
after the swelling stops.

To many Young Yanks
with no jobs and posting crazy stuff on YouTube.


Fast firing pistal
a Death Machine in your hands.

[Fronn]

I'll admit I joined the forum to discuss this case - it intrigues me and I desperately want to see the gulity brought to justice. No offence taken by pyramid's remark by the way! I think the text message just indicates that Jo was a 'people person' with a wide network of friends of both sexes. Nothing wrong with that at all, but it may mean that her friendliness was misinterpreted by someone that she knew. I'm more convinced that she let in someone she knew, she anticipating a chat and a laugh but they anticipating a bit more. Maybe the visitor grabbed her by the throat when she screamed (as reported by neighbours) and killed her in panic in an attempt to silence her.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by marney

Pyramid
I find it amusing to see that this one thread alone has brought in quite a few new members who appear to only be interested in posting in this particular thread !



Amusing is not a word I would use in such a tragic case, heartwarming yes, that so many people are concerned about getting this murerder off our streets. Still cant find the bottles can you give me a clue.

Again, don't read what isn't there - I didn't say the case was amusing - I stated, very clearly that I thought it amusing to see so many new members on this thread only - particularly as Tibbs isn't the busiest of forums (no offence Tibbs !!).

Can I give you a clue? Yes, I could give you a clue, I could give you a link. Am I going to give you one? No. Take from that what you will.

Originally Posted by InOne

You'd think it was the 70's the way they are dealing with the case. We can go over all the little details but it's clutching at straws still at the moment. Think they might've got away with this. They're hoping for someone to come forward I think.

It is extemely bizarre - as and Rob has just said - as much as finding the killer is uppermost - to find out why, what motive did they have. That's probably as baffling to everyone at this point.

Originally Posted by Fronn

I'll admit I joined the forum to discuss this case - it intrigues me and I desperately want to see the gulity brought to justice. No offence taken by pyramid's remark by the way! I think the text message just indicates that Jo was a 'people person' with a wide network of friends of both sexes. Nothing wrong with that at all, but it may mean that her friendliness was misinterpreted by someone that she knew. I'm more convinced that she let in someone she knew, she anticipating a chat and a laugh but they anticipating a bit more. Maybe the visitor grabbed her by the throat when she screamed (as reported by neighbours) and killed her in panic in an attempt to silence her.

The remark wasn't meant to offend and I'm glad you personally haven't taken any as it wasn't the intention! That post I made was that off with a nice smiley wavy face to all newbies by way of a welcome - how that could be misconstrued as anything other than a welcome baffles me. I think it's great that new members are joining - more input, more involvment, more interraction. Makes the thread more interesting too.

[Pyramid*]

I see the mysterious white van that was mentioned by police at the very beginning and felt not to be of significance has now come to the surface again and police are considering this now. 3 weeks later.

This was raised by a poster on DS that Babycakes referred to a few pages back (who knew CJ and who had provided some personal knowledge of CJ, his background etc)

post on DS that I'm referring to.

[Rob]

I sincerley hope the killer(s) are brought to justice and we can find out why the hell this even happened.

[Mifletz]

Saliva!
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...n-Jo-body.html