[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

They're the ones twisting it to sound that way .I'm not saying it that way ! but think about it another way, if loads of kids idolise and spend time with their fav celebrity and they then find out actually that celebrity has other fans who get more attention then I think some would get jealous . An ordinary kid wouldn't care they'd just accept it , but if we're dealing with kids who are obsessive then that opens up all sorts .

You're not talking about a simple thing like a kid meeting his celebrity hero though, you're talking about a 7 year old who used to sleep in the same bed as a grown man and then being "dumped" for a younger model

[Crimson Dynamo]

what is it that the nay sayers think is the motive for this?

I mean just how much money can you make by saying you had painful anal sex with bleeding with an adult when you were a child?

[Vicky.]

And sorry but the parents also just 'believing' the 'random extortionist' line too. And still allowing their kids to sleep alone with this man who has been accused of being a nonce. Nah.

[Crimson Dynamo]

what age were they when they told the "lies"?

(i dont know so genuine q)

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what age were they when they told the "lies"?

(i dont know so genuine q)

One was 20,so I presume the other one was close

[Beso]

One thing stands out for me in all this.



The fact the fathers were very rarely invited to neverland with the mothers and kids.

[user104658]

Just another statistic to add as a matter of interest (for those who are sure it's not true because "it took so long to say anything");

The average time for an adult survivor of childhood abuse processing their experience and coming forward to speak out is 22 years from the incidents of abuse. With the abuse occuring in the early 90's, the timeframe for this actually fits the statistics perfectly.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Just another statistic to add as a matter of interest (for those who are sure it's not true because "it took so long to say anything");

The average time for an adult survivor of childhood abuse processing their experience and coming forward to speak out is 22 years from the incidents of abuse. With the abuse occuring in the early 90's, the timeframe for this actually fits the statistics perfectly.

Yeah I tried to say this earlier but was not quite so clear. Its utterly 'normal' for child abuse victims to not actually process or 'admit' or however you want to put it, until they are adults, and having their own kids seems to be a familiar trigger too.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yeah I tried to say this earlier but was not quite so clear. Its utterly 'normal' for child abuse victims to not actually process or 'admit' or however you want to put it, until they are adults, and having their own kids seems to be a familiar trigger too.

Yes, people justify and normalise the activity to protect themselves emotionally and "make it OK in their head", then they have a kid of their own and suddenly realise "Oh wait... very much not OK".

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yeah I tried to say this earlier but was not quite so clear. Its utterly 'normal' for child abuse victims to not actually process or 'admit' or however you want to put it, until they are adults, and having their own kids seems to be a familiar trigger too.

And that's totally understandable aswell, It must be a totally confusing state to be in, trying to process all that, I'd imagine there's alot of self blame attached to it and also probably confusing feelings of having "love" for this person. Even Macauley Culkin who defends MJ describes him as charming which is an odd adjective to use in a platonic buddy kind of a way, especially from a childs perspective

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Just another statistic to add as a matter of interest (for those who are sure it's not true because "it took so long to say anything");

The average time for an adult survivor of childhood abuse processing their experience and coming forward to speak out is 22 years from the incidents of abuse. With the abuse occuring in the early 90's, the timeframe for this actually fits the statistics perfectly.

But it's not just the time they took to come forward , there's quite a few other suspect things that make me doubt them .

[Vicky.]

A lot of peoples view of a paedo is a random perv hiding in bushes groping random kids. While it does sometimes happen that way, it usually does not and involves a lot of work on the paedos part to get close enough to both abuse/ear parents trust, and keep the victim quiet..which is often by telling the victim that they will also get in trouble if anyone ever finds out.

[Beso]

Can we say mothers instead of parents please....because its my understanding that the fathers were not happy at all and filed for custody etc after finding out Michael had been in bed with their child..thank you in advance.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Can we say mothers instead of parents please....because its my understanding that the fathers were not happy at all and filed for custody etc after finding t Michael was in bed with their child..thank you in advance.

Both marriages had broken down i think ? but early days when the grooming of the parents started both Dads were all for it

[Beso]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Both marriages had broken down i think ? but early days when the grooming of the parents started both Dads were all for it

Oh well, he should invited the dad's along to never ever land more often than he did...are you sure it wasn't the step dad's that were up for it?...I know it was that way for cory..

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Can we say mothers instead of parents please....because its my understanding that the fathers were not happy at all and filed for custody etc after finding out Michael had been in bed with their child..thank you in advance.

The mothers definitely look worse (because they actually feature in the Doc) however what did the dads actually do to stop it while they were with the mothers? Nothing. They were in the photos too so clearly knew their sons were sleeping with MJ

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The mothers definitely look worse (because they actually feature in the Doc) however what did the dads actually do to stop it while they were with the mothers? Nothing. They were in the photos too so clearly knew their sons were sleeping with MJ

Too much for some of them..

https://nypost.com/2009/11/18/jacko-...kills-himself/

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Too much for some of them..

https://nypost.com/2009/11/18/jacko-...kills-himself/

He isn't one of the guys in the Documentaries parents though, that's who I'm discussing

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

He isn't one of the guys in the Documentaries parents though, that's who I'm discussing

Oh ok...well I brought it up and I was discussing them all..

[Beso]

Joe Biden was his name.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Joe Biden was his name.

Oh yes I remember him !!

[Vicky.]

Has the second bit not been shown yet? Watched online so obviously both were there..

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Has the second bit not been shown yet? Watched online so obviously both were there..

On tonight

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Has the second bit not been shown yet? Watched online so obviously both were there..

No the 2nd HBO 2 Hour
is Tonight Ch4HD 9PM

[Vicky.]

Ah right, am ahead of everyone then