[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

They did coexist until the T & Q in the LGBTQ community wanted special treatment just for being 'trans'. Plus it's given an open door for anyone pretending to be trans ,to cross dressers , to drag queens , to predators to take advantage of the system. And why are all those things now lumped under the 'trans' label .

I have a question Liam ...where do non binary people go ? . If they don't identify as either then which space do they use ?.

that is what the + is for in LGBTQ+

they don't identify with the he/him or she/her tags, more like in ''they/them'' tags

[Nicky91]

one of our presenters is non binary, whom has a very popular outdoors talk show called Boerderij Van Dorst (The Farm Van Dorst)

Raven Van Dorst, first Ryanne ex-girlfriend of Christina Curry, daughter of Patricia Paay, Adam Curry

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

that is what the + is for in LGBTQ+

they don't identify with the he/him or she/her tags, more like in ''they/them'' tags

That didn't answer my question as for where do they go when it comes to bathrooms & changing rooms etc .

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

That didn't answer my question as for where do they go when it comes to bathrooms & changing rooms etc .

fair enough, i also would like to know that

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

there is no reason whatsoever why trans rights and women’s rights can’t coexist peacefully

But they literally contradict one another. Transwomen being legally allowed to use women's spaces negates women's rights to female-only spaces.

Only one set of rights can be acknowledged.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

But they literally contradict one another. Transwomen being legally allowed to use women's spaces negates women's rights to female-only spaces.

Only one set of rights can be acknowledged.

Oliver I think 10 years ago trans women may or may not have shared the same spaces as me ,but I wouldn't have been aware of it ....as they would have just got on privately with their own business. Plus back then they were just a small percentage of people.

But now everyone is calling themselves trans which Liam doesn't understand. And there's people taking advantage of the loopholes.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Oliver I think 10 years ago trans women may or may not have shared the same spaces as me ,but I wouldn't have been aware of it ....as they would have just got on privately with their own business. Plus back then they were just a small percentage of people.

But now everyone is calling themselves trans which Liam doesn't understand. And there's people taking advantage of the loopholes.

Well even then they were infringing on your rights, even if you weren't aware it was happening

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Well even then they were infringing on your rights, even if you weren't aware it was happening

The point is though it wasn't an issue as those trans women would have been a very small minority and there was more consideration ( if they shared my space, there's no way of knowing) , things have vastly changed now and people are abusing loopholes,and being selfish. And the whole self ID is a mess.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

that was in Scotland and although we could see his full face he was never arrested or charged

And that's wrong imo.

Just like those executioner Tweets that Liam has highlighted is also wrong and both occasions should lead to arrests.

People on both sides need to seriously calm down when it's reaching that level, especially when a lot of the issues that are happening are being encouraged by the Media, and the Government not wanting to reach a compromise that keeps both sides happy.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Liam-

People went into the public gallery (legally) and protested the silencing of a trans person, democratically elected to represent her constituents, because she pushed back against anti-trans bills

Sadly America isn't as Democratic as it likes to pretend to be.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Sadly America isn't as Democratic as it likes to pretend to be.

When Nicola Sturgeon was presenting her Gender Recognition Reform bill she refused to take questions from the audience and had a woman removed for daring to wear a coloured scarf in the colours of the sufragettes

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co....eform-28493286

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

When Nicola Sturgeon was presenting her Gender Recognition Reform bill she refused to take questions from the audience and had a woman removed for daring to wear a coloured scarf in the colours of the sufragettes

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co....eform-28493286

Tbh that doesn't surprise me as the UK countries aren't much better than America for fake democracy.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbh that doesn't surprise me as the UK countries aren't much better than America for fake democracy.

It should also be noted Mock that women have lost their jobs for daring to raise the gaping loopholes in self ID and its impact on women, Katherine Stock being a case in point, yet there was no empathy from the trans activists, trans women and the LGBT community have lost their greatest allies who have stood with them for decades as they threw women under the bus so sorry not sorry that this trans woman has been de platformed because what goes round comes round I am afraid

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Cherie

When Nicola Sturgeon was presenting her Gender Recognition Reform bill she refused to take questions from the audience and had a woman removed for daring to wear a coloured scarf in the colours of the sufragettes

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co....eform-28493286

I didn't know Sturgeon did that ,my goodness...she really was a clown . She should have resigned ages ago.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Very illuminating twitter thread about this quite disturbed person and background - worrying to say the least..

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It should also be noted Mock that women have lost their jobs for daring to raise the gaping loopholes in self ID and its impact on women, Katherine Stock being a case in point, yet there was no empathy from the trans activists, trans women and the LGBT community have lost their greatest allies who have stood with them for decades as they threw women under the bus so sorry not sorry that this trans woman has been de platformed because what goes round comes round I am afraid

I don't support either situation happening.

The one thing that we all should agree on is that people should be allowed to say anything that they like, as long as it's not threatening or harassment.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They say good comedy is rooted in truth

Youtube video

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

They say good comedy is rooted in truth

Youtube video

sums it up

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I don't support either situation happening.

The one thing that we all should agree on is that people should be allowed to say anything that they like, as long as it's not threatening or harassment.

I know you dont Mock, but too many people are very happy to see women lose their platforms, but are not so happy when the boot is on the other foot

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

They say good comedy is rooted in truth

Youtube video

Clever Cartoon Family Guy

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lets hope the Conservative right give this brave trans woman the space to breath and exist

[Alf]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Lets hope the Conservative right give this brave trans woman the space to breath and exist

Well done her, she's so brave.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[Crimson Dynamo]