[Angus]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

You misunderstand me. I believe in an eye for an eye. If someone harmed my daughter I'd bloody kill them. But I don't want to argue about it.

No I didn't misunderstand your post - I agreed with it.

[setanta]

Originally Posted by angus58

Well since the Judiciary does not invoke the full force of the law, ie life should mean life, is it any surprise that people want this scum removed from society one way or another? If proper sentences were handed down, and adhered to, it would be justice, but as things stand there is none.

Nah, I'm sorry, I can't agree with sentencing people to death because there'll always be one innocent person executed for every 10 or so criminals and I can't accept that. Plus, I'm against the killing of another human being. Let the families of the victims pull the trigger and live with the conseqences.

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by angus58

No I didn't misunderstand your post - I agreed with it.

Oh OK sorry. Being dopey as ever

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by setanta

Nah, I'm sorry, I can't agree with sentencing people to death because there'll always be one innocent person executed for every 10 or so criminals and I can't accept that. Plus, I'm against the killing of another human being. Let the families of the victims pull the trigger and live with the conseqences.

You've just totally contradicted yourself

[setanta]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

You've just totally contradicted yourself

I actually haven't. I'm asking if the families would push the button. It's a fair comment.

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by setanta

I actually haven't. I'm asking if the families would push the button. It's a fair comment.

The button?

[setanta]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

The button?

Whatever, the button, the trigger, the lever... whatever.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

The button?

Trigger/Needle/ Electric chair button ETC I think. He's asking if they could do the deed themselves.

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Trigger/Needle/ Electric chair button ETC I think. He's asking if they could do the deed themselves.

Oh I see

[setanta]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

I didn't understand. I'm a dope. Get your head out of your bottom

You still haven't answered.

[Tom4784]

Come on guys let's stick to the topic. *puts mod hat on*

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by setanta

You still haven't answered.

To?

[setanta]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

To?

Are you being serious? To killing the criminal yourself.

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by setanta

Are you being serious? To killing the criminal yourself.

If someone hurt my child I'd do it with my bare hands

[setanta]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

If someone hurt my child I'd do it with my bare hands

After a trial by jury and in front of your family and friends?

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by setanta

After a trial by jury and in front of your family and friends?

Do I need to repeat myself? If someone harmed my baby They would not survive. Sorry if your parents don't feel the same about you

[Kerry]

I seriously can't understand why anyone would not protect or die for their children

[setanta]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

Do I need to repeat myself? If someone harmed my baby They would not survive. Sorry if your parents don't feel the same about you

It's nothing about that... it's pre-meditated murder in my eyes, and I couldn't do it in front of my kids or family. That would teach them nothing except to not value life and to embrace revenge.

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by setanta

It's nothing about that... it's pre-meditated murder in my eyes, and I couldn't do it in front of my kids or family. That would teach them nothing except to not value life and to embrace revenge.

I'm talking about if I walked in and someone HAD harmed my baby. No premeditation at all. If she had already been harmed.

[setanta]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

I'm talking about if I walked in and someone HAD harmed my baby. No premeditation at all. If she had already been harmed.

Chances are that wouldn't happen and he or she would be caught, tried and then sentence to death, with you having to execute them.

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by setanta

Chances are that wouldn't happen and he or she would be caught, tried and then sentence to death, with you having to execute them.

Oh for heavens sake, don't be silly. I'm saying if anyone hurt my kid there'd be no stopping me. Nothing to do with the before

[Angus]

Originally Posted by setanta

Nah, I'm sorry, I can't agree with sentencing people to death because there'll always be one innocent person executed for every 10 or so criminals and I can't accept that. Plus, I'm against the killing of another human being. Let the families of the victims pull the trigger and live with the conseqences.

But that would never happen because they themselves would then be prosecuted for murder. I don't know if you have ever seen the film Lady Vengeance but it dealt with the issue of justice meted out to a paedophile who had killed several children. The end scene where each family member stabbed the paedophile once was powerful, since none of them knew whose blow had actually killed him, and their complicity in the deed guaranteed them protection from discovery.

The issue of killing another human being is one I have pondered on a philosophical level in the past and I came to the conclusion that I could see myself doing so in self defence for example, and in a situation where a close family member such as my child were being threatened or harmed. But what we THINK we might do isn't necessarily what we ACTUALLY do and unless and until you are confronted with such a dilemma it is impossible to be sure you would go through with it. In any event something like a lethal injection would be my choice, quick and painless and far more humane than the treatment the murderer probably meted out to their victim.

[setanta]

Originally Posted by angus58

But that would never happen because they themselves would then be prosecuted for murder. I don't know if you have ever seen the film Lady Vengeance but it dealt with the issue of justice meted out to a paedophile who had killed several children. The end scene where each family member stabbed the paedophile once was powerful, since none of them knew whose blow had actually killed him, and their complicity in the deed guaranteed them protection from discovery.

The issue of killing another human being is one I have pondered on a philosophical level in the past and I came to the conclusion that I could see myself doing so in self defence for example, and in a situation where a close family member such as my child were being threatened or harmed. But what we THINK we might do isn't necessarily what we ACTUALLY do and unless and until you are confronted with such a dilemma it is impossible to be sure you would go through with it. In any event something like a lethal injection would be my choice, quick and painless and far more humane than the treatment the murderer probably meted out to their victim.

But could you push the button, that's what I'm asking?

[Kerry]

Daren't even bloody answer now as a parent

[Angus]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

I seriously can't understand why anyone would not protect or die for their children

Again, I'm with you - but you'll never get some to understand it.