[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

These? I mean I think I've covered quite thoroughly over the many, many weeks of this discussion what I think about the Royal pundits/commentators/reporters/biographers and why I think they are the very definition of a biased and unreliable source. Have I not been clear in that? Well to clarify;

I didn't respond to these posts because I'm not interested in these "Royal writers". It's all irrelevant hearsay and drivel.

"If I don't want to believe something its all drivel and lies". (Those reports have been verified by royal commentators on national morning tv too, btw, not that you'll believe that either, eh?).

Tell me, do you believe Meghan's versions?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"Hey everyone... hey... h... hey guys... it might look like the issues within the family aren't anything like as severe as we've all been making out... but just to let you know in advance... that is not true and they are all pretending! Don't worry, they still all hate Marry and Meghan and feel betrayed and totally devastated and all of that stuff! It's a mask out of respect for Philip! So just keep that in mind while watching it. If you see William talk to Harry, it's to keep up appearances. And if one of them smiles at the other it is a ruse! Don't worry! You can go back to hating them immediately after the funeral. Cos the other Royals have been utterly betrayed and don't want anything to do with them now. Never forget these are the facts."

Are you losing the plot?
I was actually focussing on how good it would be for the Queens sake that they should have a united front - re the only part I bolded.
If all the Royals made up it would be a good thing - who wants pinnochio and her puppet running their mouths off again about the royals for more attention which is the only way they actually get any. It's all they have reallly, its their currency...

Funny how you are so cynical when it suits you but the total opposite when it's about anything at all negative about H&M. Hmmm...

[bots]

i foresee a meghan interview part 2 .... what happened to Harry at philips funeral. The plane trip has to be funded somehow

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There are like 5 - 10 members whose posts I never look at LT - it doesn't mean I'm not aware that they're ****.

If you had to go buy those posts would you pay for them not to look at them. :

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There are like 5 - 10 members whose posts I never look at LT - it doesn't mean I'm not aware that they're ****.

well I have you on ignore so i dont even know you have posted

[Josy]

Can you lot actually just stick to discussing the topic rather than other members or the way other members debate this topic.

It's actually boring and repetitive as hell for others reading the same drawn out arguments between the same people in here every day, if you have nothing to add to the actual thread then dont post in it and if other members comments bother you so much then use ignore.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Josy

Can you lot actually just stick to discussing the topic rather than other members or the way other members debate this topic.

It's actually boring and repetitive as hell for others reading the same drawn out arguments between the same people in here every day, if you have nothing to add to the actual thread then dont post in it and if other members comments bother you so much then use ignore.

The problem Josy - and believe me I agree with you - is that when one "side" steps away it doesn't end, it just becomes an endlessly repeating echo chamber of the same people saying the same things and congratulating each other. If you look back through these threads you'll find multiple examples of multiple people trying very hard to step away and ignore it but the truth is, it's insufferable.

The choices are basically these nightmarish threads of arguments going in circles... or not having this topic at all. Or just having people straight up leave completely - which is certainly a valid choice and I fear the way it's more likely to go.

"When people are saying toxic things repeatedly, just look the other way and pretend it isn't happening" isn't advice that everyone can take or wants to take, unfortunately.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

"If I don't want to believe something its all drivel and lies". (Those reports have been verified by royal commentators on national morning tv too, btw, not that you'll believe that either, eh?).

Tell me, do you believe Meghan's versions?

It's not about believing anyone's versions, but you'll never understand that and therein lies the problem. There is H&M's version of events that they have shared, there is the version of events from other Royals (William and Kate, Charles, The Queen) which they have not shared. Those are the ONLY relevant and interesting versions of events. Who knows what I believe? I haven't heard both sides of the story, because only one RELEVANT side has been shared.

I am not interested in versions of events from;

1) The press
2) Royal commentators
3) laypeople's imaginations


If you're talking about what I believe is "the truth" - it's most likely somewhere between Meghan and Harry's version, and the version we'd hear from William, Kate and Charles if they would share it, but they will not so I have no idea what the truth is. All I know is, there is only ONE valid first-hand source offering ANY version of events, and thus everything else is a complete and utter waste of time. There is no second version of events! The musing of bystanders is not a valid first hand source, of any description!

[Rustic bauble]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't agree that you can "hurt" an institution. Discredit maybe, but so what, that's a perfectly legitimate reason to do something if it's how you feel.

Can you provide me with some quotes or examples of it being designed to personally hurt members of the family?

Discredit/hurt...you know what I meant.
Meghan accused an unnamed member of the family having "several conversations with Harry about Archies skin colour"....Harry confirmed it was ONE conversation and speculation was allowed to be had by who it may be. By not saying who it was left all members of the family exposed as possibly being Racist....

[Good King Glennceslas]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The problem Josy - and believe me I agree with you - is that when one "side" steps away it doesn't end, it just becomes an endlessly repeating echo chamber of the same people saying the same things and congratulating each other. If you look back through these threads you'll find multiple examples of multiple people trying very hard to step away and ignore it but the truth is, it's insufferable.

The choices are basically these nightmarish threads of arguments going in circles... or not having this topic at all. Or just having people straight up leave completely - which is certainly a valid choice and I fear the way it's more likely to go.

"When people are saying toxic things repeatedly, just look the other way and pretend it isn't happening" isn't advice that everyone can take or wants to take, unfortunately.

Agreed. The culture that we can allow a group of members to be toxic about people but not be able to call them out on it is not helpful for a discussion forum. Every one of these threads ends up the same. Ban the subject completely. We don’t need a thread where a select group of people are allowed to be so hateful towards celebrities and to encourage that is unacceptable.

[Tom4784]

But if they named names, the media and the public would accuse them of attacking the person in question. Harry and Meghan can't win either way.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's not about believing anyone's versions, but you'll never understand that and therein lies the problem. There is H&M's version of events that they have shared, there is the version of events from other Royals (William and Kate, Charles, The Queen) which they have not shared. Those are the ONLY relevant and interesting versions of events. Who knows what I believe? I haven't heard both sides of the story, because only one RELEVANT side has been shared.

I am not interested in versions of events from;

1) The press
2) Royal commentators
3) laypeople's imaginations


If you're talking about what I believe is "the truth" - it's most likely somewhere between Meghan and Harry's version, and the version we'd hear from William, Kate and Charles if they would share it, but they will not so I have no idea what the truth is. All I know is, there is only ONE valid first-hand source offering ANY version of events, and thus everything else is a complete and utter waste of time. There is no second version of events! The musing of bystanders is not a valid first hand source, of any description!

They do though, that is what reliable Palace sources are for, to pass info to royal commentators to correct any unreliable or untrue allegations. They can't, for example, mention a Palace employees name like Samantha Cohen and what she did or didn't do and lie about it or make things up because then they wouldn't be ever passed any info again and would be out of a job.
That is the way it works. In the days of Diana, I didn't want to believe many things coming from 'sources' but in the passage of time, they turned out to be, I'd say, 95% true. Time will tell once again.

[Tom4784]

I'm not going to be silent on bigotry when I see it present in the media and within the public, I think this debate is pointless and should be deleted, but by staying silent on bigotry, it prospers. The coverage of Meghan Markle is deeply misogynistic, and the public are definitely guilty of holding racist and xenophobic biases towards her too.

[Rustic bauble]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

But if they named names, the media and the public would accuse them of attacking the person in question. Harry and Meghan can't win either way.

Absolutely right....coming back to my original point of going on NT to make accusations against your family was a deliberate attempt to undermine and hurt the family and institution and they should have done it in private.

[Tom4784]

Just seems like a way of saying that they shouldn't speak out on racism, to me.

[Rustic bauble]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Just seems like a way of saying that they shouldn't speak out on racism, to me.

Not at all....I just think they should have discussed it in private.

[Tom4784]

Whose to say they hadn't? We don't know.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm not going to be silent on bigotry when I see it present in the media and within the public, I think this debate is pointless and should be deleted, but by staying silent on bigotry, it prospers. The coverage of Meghan Markle is deeply misogynistic, and the public are definitely guilty of holding racist and xenophobic biases towards her too.

Character not colour.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jet

Character not colour.

That's a meaningless statement though, are you saying there is no bigotry towards her? That everyone who hates her hates her solely because of their own interpretations of her 'actions?'

That is entirely unrealistic.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

That's a meaningless statement though, are you saying there is no bigotry towards her? That everyone who hates her hates her solely because of their own interpretations of her 'actions?'

That is entirely unrealistic.

Not from anyone on here or anyone I know. I've seen very very little bigotry towards her in the general media either apart from a few media things posted on here.
I don't do social media like twitter etc so maybe there is bigotry there, all I can say is I have never come across it in everyday life so neither will the majority of the general public. It's her character and actions I dislike and I'd guess its the same for most people.
It's right to point out bigotry when it is seen, disgusting and cruel to accuse people of it when it isn't and just assumed!

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jet

Not from anyone on here or anyone I know. I've seen very very little bigotry towards her in the general media either apart from a few things posted on here.
I don't do social media like twitter etc so maybe there is bigotry there, all I can say is I have never come across it in everyday life so neither will the majority of the general public. It's her character and actions I dislike and I'd guess its the same for most people.
It's right to point out bigotry when it is seen, disgusting and cruel to accuse people of it when it isn't and just assumed!

You can't really say that none of the hatred is bigoted in nature, it's unrealistic to assume that all the hate towards Meghan Markle is without bigoted bias.

Just because you have no personal experience of it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by jet

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebri...guson-23896547

Piers Morgan has named Sarah Ferguson as one of the royals who reached out to support him after he was forced to quit Good Morning Britain over his coverage of Meghan Markle's interview with Oprah Winfrey.

It comes after Piers previously declared that "several members of the royal family" had reached out to him after he called out Prince Harry and Meghan Markle over their bombshell claims.
In his column for the Mail on Sunday this weekend, Piers admitted Prince Andrew's ex-wife Fergie was one of the royals who had supported him.
He wrote: "Not all Royal duchesses were as thrilled as Meghan 'Pinocchio' Markle to see me leave GMB.

"'People have said how much they miss your morning joy and humour,' texted Sarah, Duchess of York, 'get back out there!'"

How laughable and pathetic ,that he actually thinks Meghan would waste a second of her time thinking about him .

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You can't really say that none of the hatred is bigoted in nature, it's unrealistic to assume that all the hate towards Meghan Markle is without bigoted bias.

Just because you have no personal experience of it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Stop putting words into my mouth. That is not what I said.

[jet]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

How laughable and pathetic ,that he actually thinks Meghan would waste a second of her time thinking about him .

She wasted more than a second watching him on GMB, phoning Ofcom and then the boss of the show to complain about him. She can't stand that he can see right through her.

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by jet

She wasted more than a second watching him on GMB, phoning Ofcom and then the boss of the show to complain about him. She can't stand that he can see right through her.

Piers has spent his entire crappy 'journalism' career on bashing Meghan , I'm actually shocked when he talks about another subject . Because usually all that comes out his mouth is "Meghan this Meghan that " .

He's an angry bitter salty bag of hot air . He repeatedly moans and gets upset over Meghan . Anyone would think he'd been bliddy married to her .

Nothing ever happened between him and Meghan ,but in his fanfiction mind he actually thought his washed out self had a chance with her . Everything he projects is that of an obnoxious narcissist .

Meghan still hasn't spent her life and career worrying about him. He can't go 5 seconds without ranting about her , it's embarrassing .